21 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

Why do I feel like the writers ate shoring their hand. Everyone appears to be overreacting but when it's all said and done, I bet they'll be more than justified. 

 

I can't count the times I've seen characters accuse another of something when it's untrue. Only for writers to turn around and make it true. That was staple writing for Sharon for almost a decade. 

 

I wonder if they are quickly throwing together a storyline for Devon and the Winters family after possibly receiving backlash about their lack of airtime. They got some airtime Hilary died, and then it dropped off abruptly and they were mostly neglected by the show. Maybe Ana coming back and quickly throwing together this "Everyone thinks Devon is spiraling out of control" storyline is their way of trying to rectify things. It does feel thrown together, as we really haven't seen much indication that Devon is going way downhill. The stuff that Nate, Cane and Ana are complaining about seems mostly harmless. Like Devon meeting with the musicians at GCAC. They weren't doing anything illegal and that is how people can operate business in the industry he's in.

Edited November 29, 20187 yr by xtr

34 minutes ago, xtr said:

 

I wonder if they are quickly throwing together a storyline for Devon and the Winters family after possibly receiving backlash about their lack of airtime. They got some airtime Hilary died, and then it dropped off abruptly and they were mostly neglected by the show. Maybe Ana coming back and quickly throwing together this "Everyone thinks Devon is spiraling out of control" storyline is their way of trying to rectify things. It does feel thrown together, as we really haven't seen much indication that Devon is going way downhill. The stuff that Nate, Cane and Ana are complaining about seems mostly harmless. Like Devon meeting with the musicians at GCAC. They weren't doing anything illegal and that is how people can operate business in the industry he's in.

It really makes those three look like freaking idiots. 

Everybody thought Brooks Darnell was great his first week. He had such a nice energy. But the shift to holier-than-thou know-it-all has made him insufferable. It would be hard for anyone to make Nate as written palatable.

 

Then again, I can’t name one black character on soaps who isn’t seriously underwritten right now. Y&R really tried like hell to make Scott and Tessa happen. I don’t see the same effort put into Nate, and I certainly didn’t see it with Jordan.

4 minutes ago, Costello said:

 But the shift to holier-than-thou know-it-all has made him insufferable.

THIS!

4 minutes ago, Costello said:

 

 

Y&R really tried like hell to make Scott happen. 

I had already forgotten about Scott. He sure was his father's son. He was so boring. It's too bad they didn't make him his mother's son. Lauren had so much venom back in the days. Fun to watch.

Scott had sex appeal. Scotty had none.

16 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

THIS!

I had already forgotten about Scott. He sure was his father's son. He was so boring. It's too bad they didn't make him his mother's son. Lauren had so much venom back in the days. Fun to watch.

They literally had no idea who Scott was. They just needed a guy his age, and they threw everything against the wall and nothing stuck. 

Edited November 30, 20187 yr by Costello

I never thought Scott Grainger Sr was boring....I'm not just saying that because of him being involved with Lauren and Sheila, but it was nice to just have a genuine good guy on the show....like Danny. 

2 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Nate is quickly approaching Tessa levels of dislike from me. And the actor needs to be recast. I know the character sucks but he doesn’t put an ounce of effort into the role.

Nate, Shauna, Mattie, Charlie, Cane. Why is the casting on that side of canvas so damn terrible?

5 minutes ago, frequentsoapfan said:

Nate, Shauna, Mattie, Charlie, Cane. Why is the casting on that side of canvas so damn terrible?

I think they’d have better luck if they knew who these characters were prior to the casting. With Cane, he has been rewritten and reconceived so many times it’s insane. Grifter, family man, CEO, superhero, man-child, villain, romantic lead, sketchy sleazeball, somehow Jill’s favorite “son.” He’s not complex; they don’t know who he is. He changes with the story.

59 minutes ago, Costello said:

Everybody thought Brooks Darnell was great his first week. He had such a nice energy. But the shift to holier-than-thou know-it-all has made him insufferable. It would be hard for anyone to make Nate as written palatable.

 

Then again, I can’t name one black character on soaps who isn’t seriously underwritten right now. Y&R really tried like hell to make Scott and Tessa happen. I don’t see the same effort put into Nate, and I certainly didn’t see it with Jordan.

 

I liked the way he was introduced and how he was bonding with his family, including the twins. But ever since then and Hilary's departure he hasn't done much of anything besides do stuff like lecture people. He's a doctor and we really don't see him work as one. (Outside of the brief time he was shown working as Victor's doctor/the Newman family physician and when he operated on Hilary.)

 

They could have him work at the hospital, I believe he said he was thinking of doing that. I think they should show him working more as a doctor, in addition to giving him a love interest. They could also tell us more about his past and what happened to his girlfriend that died. It seemed when he first came on that we may have learned more about him and Caroline, but they haven't really explored that. 

And I think they need Olivia like @ajsp35801 said. That would solve so many problems beyond just Nate even, but it would add some possible dimension to the character. Clearly they expected him to play a role in Hilary’s story before she abruptly left. As usual they expected Mishael to do the heavy lifting for flimsy characters.

 

I’m sure they’d think it’d be tough to justify using the hospital set without some big story purpose. But they could have had him befriend Rey or something. 

Edited November 30, 20187 yr by Costello

1 hour ago, Costello said:

They literally had no idea who Scott was. They just needed a guy his age, and they threw everything against the wall and nothing stuck. 

I blame MO. She's a character killer. 

57 minutes ago, xtr said:

 

I liked the way he was introduced and how he was bonding with his family, including the twins. But ever since then and Hilary's departure he hasn't done much of anything besides do stuff like lecture people. He's a doctor and we really don't see him work as one. (Outside of the brief time he was shown working as Victor's doctor/the Newman family physician and when he operated on Hilary.)

 

They could have him work at the hospital, I believe he said he was thinking of doing that. I think they should show him working more as a doctor, in addition to giving him a love interest. They could also tell us more about his past and what happened to his girlfriend that died. It seemed when he first came on that we may have learned more about him and Caroline, but they haven't really explored that. 

 

Nate was brought on as story for Hilary and her next big love cause TPTB never saw Bryton/Devon as a romantic lead no matter how much the audience fawned over him in the role (seemed like half adored him with Hilary, the other half adored him with Mariah). 

 

Without Hilary, Nate has no identity and nothing to do because she was the ONLY thing he was ever going to do. 

They really should cut their losses with Cane and the twins.

 

The SORASing was ridiculous and Cane was never allowed to be anything but Lily's true love.

 

TPTB dispensed with Paul and Neil so why not Cane?

Because Y&R desperately feels it needs a second 40 year old white dude not named Joshua Morrow on the canvas.

4 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

I blame MO. She's a character killer. 

 

Nate was brought on as story for Hilary and her next big love cause TPTB never saw Bryton/Devon as a romantic lead no matter how much the audience fawned over him in the role (seemed like half adored him with Hilary, the other half adored him with Mariah). 

 

Without Hilary, Nate has no identity and nothing to do because she was the ONLY thing he was ever going to do. 

 

Sad and true. They tried a chemistry test with him and Victoria for two episodes but that led nowhere. 

 

It’d be nice to grab Tonya Lee back even if just a few episodes as Olivia. What’s she up to? 

 

I havent been keeping up with behind the scenes drama... KSJ is out?