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8 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

*sigh*

 

I miss Bill Bell.

 

That's where the confidence, craft and general lack of hackery comes into play.

I miss all the truly great, gifted writers of daytime.

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When did Mariah become anti-Scott?

 

And why has Paul become completely anti-Scott when Scott was helping with this sex ring case. This makes no sense at all. 

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@Antoyne The anti-Scott makes zero sense. Kinda like when the Chief just hops into Zach's car to conduct questioning involving a murder investigation. I'm willing to skip logic because they are trying to wrap this stillborn s/l quickly.

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So, do any of the chemists and lab workers at Brash and Sassy have actual speaking parts?

All are WOC yet they don't give them anything to do or say besides being barked at by Billy.

Yesterday, there was yet a different dayplayer Black doctor.  I'm sensing a pattern here...:rolleyes:

 

Not to mention, Lauren and her 4-ton weave barrels straight from the doors of the GCPD and barrels through the doors of Crimson Lights without a beat.  Not even a commercial break.

 

Scott's arraignment takes all of 4 minutes.  No suspense.

 

Issa Mess!

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6 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

So, do any of the chemists and lab workers at Brash and Sassy have actual speaking parts?

All are WOC yet they don't give them anything to do or say besides being barked at by Billy.

Yesterday, there was yet a different dayplayer Black doctor.  I'm sensing a pattern here...:rolleyes:

And here is where we should have an adult Nate Hastings. He could romance any age appropriate woman in town and become a rival to either Noah or Devon

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I did tune out for awhile, but I've caught up. Everything by Marla has been excellent.

 

The scene where Phyllis confronted Billy and slapped him had some excellent music, actually had me re-watch it. 

 

I thought the Gloria slapping Billy scene was pretty good from Judith Chapman and they are using her at just the right pace.

 

Agree that the pacing is quick, but the show feels like it has energy again. Even Amelia Heinle was good, although they need to cut back her screen time. The show also looks better. Not a fan of all the camera work, but I feel a lushness/fall vibe to it.

 

Everyone on here is once again quick to judge, and look for opportunities to prove that they know best and were right. 

1 hour ago, Antoyne said:

When did Mariah become anti-Scott?

 

And why has Paul become completely anti-Scott when Scott was helping with this sex ring case. This makes no sense at all. 

 

The only way I can see Paul being anti-Scott is because of his son Ricky. He was anti-Ricky from the get-go and maybe he believes Scott is heading down a similar past given his reporting past. I hope that this is the angle

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Was watching clips from a 2008 ep. The GCAC is DRAMATICALLY smaller than it used to be (also the decor is now fugly Marshalls/HomeGoods/TJMaxx JFP stuff). There used to be multiple entryways, hallways, wall space, etc.

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I'm surprised to see so much positivity around the net because I see an instant drop in quality. The show is technically fast paced, but like with LML it feels long because it's so plot driven. I see all the dramatic elements being taken out which often happens when soaps try to imitate prime time shows. A perfect example is Victoria's headaches. The explanation came out of nowhere and completely killed any potential that story had whether it be the feud with Abby or even tying the toxic mask into a larger Brash and Sassy story. 

 

So far the only thing I've enjoyed is Dina's story which did have a nice touch when Jack and Ashley found her. Marla Adams is so delightful I just can't see myself not loving that story regardless of the writing. 

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6 minutes ago, Chris B said:

I'm surprised to see so much positivity around the net because I see an instant drop in quality. The show is technically fast paced, but like with LML it feels long because it's so plot driven. I see all the dramatic elements being taken out which often happens when soaps try to imitate prime time shows. A perfect example is Victoria's headaches. The explanation came out of nowhere and completely killed any potential that story had whether it be the feud with Abby or even tying the toxic mask into a larger Brash and Sassy story. 

 

So far the only thing I've enjoyed is Dina's story which did have a nice touch when Jack and Ashley found her. Marla Adams is so delightful I just can't see myself not loving that story regardless of the writing. 

 

That's exactly how I felt, especially watching yesterday's episode.  That's why yesterday, I posted that the show felt "frenetic". 

 

I definitely felt a sharp turn on that story.

It feels as if MY wasn't satisfied with SS story of Victoria suffering the longterm effects of a concussion that wouldn't get better because she wouldn't take the necessary time off to get better. 

It almost feels like MY thought he had to make it more wild and threw in this toxic poisoning.

 

 

I don't see why some think we shouldn't be allowed to critique MY. He may have just started as HW but hasn't he been at the helm for more than a year now? 

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6 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

That's exactly how I felt, especially watching yesterday's episode.  That's why yesterday, I posted that the show felt "frenetic". 

 

Exactly, it was like it was  on speed. It was rushed. Especially the scenes with Lauren today. You could get whiplash the way those scenes flew by.

6 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

 

I don't see why some think we shouldn't be allowed to critique MY. He may have just started as HW but hasn't he been at the helm for more than a year now? 

 

Exactly. I'm pretty sure MY was responsible for a lot of the changes during Sally's tenure.

 

I just hope the pacing slows down once some of the previous regimes' stories have been wrapped up (sex trafficking, Snortoria's toxic face 'mask'). 

 

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7 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

That's where the confidence, craft and general lack of hackery comes into play.

I miss all the truly great, gifted writers of daytime.

 

For decades, I was captivated by the soaps written by Irna Phillips, Agnes Nixon, William J. Bell, Henry Slesar, Pat Falken Smith, Roy Winsor, Harding Lemay, Rick Edelstein, Claire Labine, Jane and Ira Avery, Gordon Russell and Sam Hall, Douglas Marland, and others...and I just took high-quality writing for granted. I laughed at ignorant critics who looked down on soaps, because the proof was right there every day on my TV screen, how great daytime drama actually was. Sadly, I should not have expected the good writing to last. We have not seen any of it in what, more than 20 years?

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13 hours ago, SOAPSFOREVER said:

The "transition" from Sally's writing to Mal's was brutal. His "style," if you can call it that, seems a lot like JFP and Pratt's: plot contrivances, shocking "twists," with a little humor thrown in (the Phyllis/Billy scenes were interesting in a different way), with little attention to transitions or playing the emotional beats. The show seems very uneven (Paul's character, in two days, has been savaged). Maybe he'll fix it, or since he learned American soaps under JFP, maybe he won't care and just jam more plot at the viewers, hoping to regain a lost audience. We'll see what happens, but it's all on Mal now. No blaming anyone else. Y&R either rebounds or its ratings continue to ebb. 

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1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

That's exactly how I felt, especially watching yesterday's episode.  That's why yesterday, I posted that the show felt "frenetic". 

 

I definitely felt a sharp turn on that story.

It feels as if MY wasn't satisfied with SS story of Victoria suffering the longterm effects of a concussion that wouldn't get better because she wouldn't take the necessary time off to get better. 

It almost feels like MY thought he had to make it more wild and threw in this toxic poisoning.

 

 

I don't see why some think we shouldn't be allowed to critique MY. He may have just started as HW but hasn't he been at the helm for more than a year now? 

 

EXACTLY!!!! I suspect that the more time that goes on, the more it will be clear what he was behind and what he was not...Abby v Victoria being dropped going by comments here for example?

 

1 hour ago, slick jones said:

Exactly, it was like it was  on speed. It was rushed. Especially the scenes with Lauren today. You could get whiplash the way those scenes flew by.

 

Exactly. I'm pretty sure MY was responsible for a lot of the changes during Sally's tenure.

 

I just hope the pacing slows down once some of the previous regimes' stories have been wrapped up (sex trafficking, Snortoria's toxic face 'mask'). 

 

THIS.

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I think when Kay Alden/LML were co head writers for most of 2006..the show had a perfect balance.  I kind of think Alden should have stayed as consultant to help balance out Mal Young's need for plot over character.

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47 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I think when Kay Alden/LML were co head writers for most of 2006..the show had a perfect balance.  I kind of think Alden should have stayed as consultant to help balance out Mal Young's need for plot over character.

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