3 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

PLEASE do not put that out there.

 

That's better so old school to tie Tessa to some long term character fans love. Lol

Frankly, if I were to tie Tessa to anyone, it'd be Grace.

Not Sheila Carter? Lol

HA!!

 

But seriously.  Think about it: what would irk Sharon more than anything?  The fact that her daughter has hooked up with someone related to her ex-BFF and the woman who effectively ended her and Nick's marriage, thereby bringing Grace back into her life.

Edited August 10, 20178 yr by Khan

5 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

Not Sheila Carter? Lol

She is already flopping on B&B. She needs to go back to adoring Donald Trump......and running her business in LA.

Haven't read the article yet, but love all of Khan's comments and Kman's defense.

 

From the parts posted here, SSM doesn't sound too different from other HW and show writers who come in with a few ideas and start to think long term from there.

 

So this lynching is just...meh to me. But I didn't find her totally dull...KA's influence showing without showing I guess.

1 minute ago, Khan said:

HA!!

 

But seriously.  Think about it: what would irk Sharon more than anything?  The fact that her daughter has hooked up with someone related to her ex-BFF and the woman who effectively ended her and Nick's marriage, thereby bringing Grace back into her life.

Lawd...you know these writers don't think out of the box.....LOL......

2 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

Thank you.

 

The vitriol towards Sally is a bit much ya'll

 

KMan you're finally coming around!

 

Sally does have one point though. Too many people, especially on this board, think they can do everything so much better. You can't please everyone.

 

Edit: If someone offered you a six figure job, are you really going to say get back to me in 6 months when I'm ready? Like GTFO here lol

Edited August 10, 20178 yr by StepBack

I hear Jean P used to bring baked ziti to all the writers meetings she attended in CA. Bet that could have fueled Sally's brainpower and creativity.

1 hour ago, Vizion said:

 

The "I don't see gender" or "I don't see race" attitude is not helpful nor progressive. Love is love sure, but marginalized identities and communities need to be seen for who they are? Erasing the fact that people or black or how they might identify is erasing who they are. When people say they don't see race it means they want white people to be comfortable. Just like saying well we don't want to call them gay or lesbian or even bisexual or sexually fluid they think makes heterosexuals or homophobes more comfortable. It's an attempt to completely erase what it means to be a bisexual or lesbian or sexually fluid woman. 

 

I don't see it that way at all. Is this not the same board that said the Winters have always been in there own little bubble? Do you really want them to have a black storyline? A gay storyline? An Asian storyline? Etc. No. I agree with Sally that writing should be fluid and that's why shows like "Master of None" (shameless plug) works. We all have our stories and experiences, and I don't want to be identified by the colour of my skin or the religion I practice. In that regard, I think Sally got it right. 

1 hour ago, Vizion said:

 

I'll just post these links and then get back on topic

http://affinitymagazine.us/2016/07/25/i-dont-see-color-is-crap-and-you-know-it/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/opinion-dear-tomi-lahren-please-stop-saying-you-dont-see-n690801

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roni-faida/why-i-hate-the-phrase-i-d_b_9341762.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/do-not-see-race-ignoring-racism-not-helping

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/minority-report/201602/i-dont-see-color

 

I do think the conversation about labeling sexuality is still a bit influx but the principle isn't much different. 

 

So anyway, Mal has his work cut out for him. 

 

Of course we see colour. It's right there in your face how can you not see it? However, I think is that the colour of my skin does not speak to who I am as a person, or my experiences. We are all unique. As a Canadian, there are experiences I cannot relate to with other Americans. It's like people who say "I can only date xyz" Nah, screw that. I see beauty in every race as corny as that may sound.

1 minute ago, StepBack said:

 

I don't see it that way at all. Is this not the same board that said the Winters have always been in there own little bubble? Do you really want them to have a black storyline? A gay storyline? An Asian storyline? Etc. No. I agree with Sally that writing should be fluid and that's why shows like "Master of None" (shameless plug) works. We all have our stories and experiences, and I don't want to be identified by the colour of my skin or the religion I practice. In that regard, I think Sally got it right. 

 

There is a huge difference between acknowleging something and defining one solely by that. It doesn't mean pigeon holing just cause I recognize a person is gay. But recognizing someone is gay doesn't mean I have to treat them different than anyone else.  All I get from what Sally said is that the issues that would be dealt with in the real world will be ignored with the story. 

Just now, ajsp35801 said:

 

There is a huge difference between acknowleging something and defining one solely by that. It doesn't mean pigeon holing just cause I recognize a person is gay. But recognizing someone is gay doesn't mean I have to treat them different than anyone else.  All I get from what Sally said is that the issues that would be dealt with in the real world will be ignored with the story. 

 

Well I guess we will never know now...

 

 

4 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

There is a huge difference between acknowleging something and defining one solely by that. It doesn't mean pigeon holing just cause I recognize a person is gay. But recognizing someone is gay doesn't mean I have to treat them different than anyone else.  All I get from what Sally said is that the issues that would be dealt with in the real world will be ignored with the story. 

 

+1.

4 minutes ago, StepBack said:

 

Well I guess we will never know now...

 

 

 

We've got another 2 months before Mal's stuff. So I think we will have some idea. 

14 minutes ago, StepBack said:

 

I don't see it that way at all. Is this not the same board that said the Winters have always been in there own little bubble? Do you really want them to have a black storyline? A gay storyline? An Asian storyline? Etc. No. I agree with Sally that writing should be fluid and that's why shows like "Master of None" (shameless plug) works. We all have our stories and experiences, and I don't want to be identified by the colour of my skin or the religion I practice. In that regard, I think Sally got it right. 

 

Of course we see colour. It's right there in your face how can you not see it? However, I think is that the colour of my skin does not speak to who I am as a person, or my experiences. We are all unique. As a Canadian, there are experiences I cannot relate to with other Americans. It's like people who say "I can only date xyz" Nah, screw that. I see beauty in every race as corny as that may sound.

 

Interesting that you say the color of your skin doesn't speak to your experiences. I've never known anyone to escape inherent racism in this world to the point where it doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on purview. That also goes for sexism, religious bias, sexuality, and physical attributes like height, weight, even hair color. 

11 pages, yall....11 pages. 

I'll catch up soon, but I will say that while some of the quotes from the interview does not enrage me as most on here, it does explain the emptiness and lackluster feeling the show has had for quite sometime now. 

SSM's entire tenure can be considered as one long transition period, from Pratt to Mal Young.