AW never beat GL while JFP was at the helm. 

Sep 2-6, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.0/27

2. DAYS 5.8/20

3. AMC 4.9/18

4. B&B 4.8/17

5. GH 4.6/16

6. ATWT 4.1/16

7. OLTL 4.0/16

8. GL 3.5/13

9. AW 3.3/12

10. CITY 2.1/8

 

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 4.5/27

2. Y&R 4.1/27

2. AMC 4.1/27

4. GH 3.8/24

5. OLTL 3.4/22

6. AW 2.6/16

7. B&B 2.4/15

8. ATWT 2.2/15

9. GL 2.1/14

10. CITY 1.5/12

 

 

37

Sep 9-13, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.2/29

2. DAYS 6.0/22

3. AMC 4.9/18

4. GH 4.8/18

5. B&B 4.6/17

6. OLTL 4.3/17

7. ATWT 3.9/16

8. AW 3.5/14

9. GL 3.3/13

10. CITY 2.1/9

 

 

38

Sep 16-20, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.1/28

2. DAYS 5.9/21

3. AMC 5.0/18

4. GH 4.9/18

5. B&B 4.8/17

6. OLTL 4.4/17

7. ATWT 4.0/16

8. AW 3.4/13

8. GL 3.4/13

10. CITY 2.3/9

 

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 5.2/31

2. GH 4.4/29

2. AMC 4.4/27

4. Y&R 4.2/29

5. OLTL 3.9/26

6. AW 2.8/19

7. B&B 2.6/16

8. ATWT 2.3/15

9. GL 2.0/13

10. CITY 1.8/13

 

 

39

Sep 23-27, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.3/29

2. DAYS 5.9/21

3. B&B 4.8/18

4. AMC 4.7/18

4. GH 4.7/17

6. OLTL 4.2/17

6. ATWT 4.2/17

8. GL 3.7/14

9. AW 3.4/14

10. CITY 1.9/8

 

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 4.8/31

2. Y&R 4.2/30

3. GH 4.0/27

4. AMC 3.9/25

5. OLTL 3.5/24

6. AW 2.8/19

7. B&B 2.3/15

8. GL 2.2/15

9. ATWT 2.1/15

10. CITY 1.5/11

 

Toups credit goes to your 1996 ratings archive.

 

Michael read this and weep my friend. JFP was killing GL in the demos. She also was beating ATWT and B&B. AW might have stayed on air if they allowed Jill to continue her NYPD blue vision. They wanted it to be Reilly part 2 and it flopped. God Jill is a ratings getter

So the destruction of the heart and soul of a show and the integrity of its characters are meaningless is what you are saying. All you care about are ratings

 

 

Cassadine i mean doesnt every network want to make big money and revenue. Thats the point of any business. Thats whats keep the shows on air. YR is tanking in viewers. Sally has had the lowest ratings in a decade even lower then MAB. Her contract will not be renewed.

I think a majority of viewers would go for heart and character driven take over meaningless attempts at higher ratings.

 

 

Michael reviewing 2000 ratings from Toups and OLTL hit number 1 demos. It was the number 1 soap in 18 to 49. No wonder she got the GH promotion. The woman knows how to spike those numbers up.

 

This was the OLTL primetime episode 19 years ago. OMG this was so JFP to a tee. So much stuff going on when Rachel confessed to killing Georgie.

Edited July 10, 20178 yr by JONNYSBRO

2 hours ago, MichaelGL said:

I think a majority of viewers would go for heart and character driven take over meaningless attempts at higher ratings.

Jonnysbro's post purposely misleads. OLTL did indeed hit #1 in a specific ratings demo, but it didn't stay there for long. JFP has always been about programming stunts. Goose the ratings, especially during sweeps, and she manages to hang on to her job (until she doesn't). But when the "shock and awe" is over, audiences tune out. They aren't invested in the show long term because they aren't invested in the characters. Real soap legends like Irna Phillips, Bill Bell, Agnes Nixon, Doug Marland, Harding Lemay, Claire Labine and Henry Slesar understood that character creates and drives plot. JFP and her ilk simply throw anything at the storytelling wall and hope it sticks, underscoring Jonnysbro's "so much stuff going on" comment. I can't recall another EP who is viewed quite an negatively as JFP is. Of course, Jonnysbro sings her praises because it gets responses. Posters (including myself) just have to call him out because he's so painfully and consistently annoying. As I said in a previous post that Jonnysbro never responded to, I'm more and more convinced he's a plant on the board to generate more posts.

Edited July 11, 20178 yr by SOAPSFOREVER

9 hours ago, JONNYSBRO said:

Sep 2-6, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.0/27

2. DAYS 5.8/20

3. AMC 4.9/18

4. B&B 4.8/17

5. GH 4.6/16

6. ATWT 4.1/16

7. OLTL 4.0/16

8. GL 3.5/13

9. AW 3.3/12

10. CITY 2.1/8

 

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 4.5/27

2. Y&R 4.1/27

2. AMC 4.1/27

4. GH 3.8/24

5. OLTL 3.4/22

6. AW 2.6/16

7. B&B 2.4/15

8. ATWT 2.2/15

9. GL 2.1/14

10. CITY 1.5/12

 

 

37

Sep 9-13, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.2/29

2. DAYS 6.0/22

3. AMC 4.9/18

4. GH 4.8/18

5. B&B 4.6/17

6. OLTL 4.3/17

7. ATWT 3.9/16

8. AW 3.5/14

9. GL 3.3/13

10. CITY 2.1/9

 

 

38

Sep 16-20, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.1/28

2. DAYS 5.9/21

3. AMC 5.0/18

4. GH 4.9/18

5. B&B 4.8/17

6. OLTL 4.4/17

7. ATWT 4.0/16

8. AW 3.4/13

8. GL 3.4/13

10. CITY 2.3/9

 

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 5.2/31

2. GH 4.4/29

2. AMC 4.4/27

4. Y&R 4.2/29

5. OLTL 3.9/26

6. AW 2.8/19

7. B&B 2.6/16

8. ATWT 2.3/15

9. GL 2.0/13

10. CITY 1.8/13

 

 

39

Sep 23-27, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.3/29

2. DAYS 5.9/21

3. B&B 4.8/18

4. AMC 4.7/18

4. GH 4.7/17

6. OLTL 4.2/17

6. ATWT 4.2/17

8. GL 3.7/14

9. AW 3.4/14

10. CITY 1.9/8

 

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 4.8/31

2. Y&R 4.2/30

3. GH 4.0/27

4. AMC 3.9/25

5. OLTL 3.5/24

6. AW 2.8/19

7. B&B 2.3/15

8. GL 2.2/15

9. ATWT 2.1/15

10. CITY 1.5/11

 

Toups credit goes to your 1996 ratings archive.

 

Michael read this and weep my friend. JFP was killing GL in the demos. She also was beating ATWT and B&B. AW might have stayed on air if they allowed Jill to continue her NYPD blue vision. They wanted it to be Reilly part 2 and it flopped. God Jill is a ratings getter

 

 

  at you actually having receipts this time

 

I'm with @AllMyDaysatGH and @ChitHappens bring her on back. I could never finish a full episode of GH once Frank took over, mainly because of Frank's terrible production values and casting. I'd take JFP AND Guza back in a heart beat.

Um, would JFP ruin How to Get Away with Murder?  How about Scandal?  House of Cards?

On 7/3/2017 at 3:23 AM, Cat said:

Nope. Jill has had 30 years of producing almost every soap out there. It's always been a mess. She guts the show of beloved vets and many females over 45. There are a ton of recasts with her FOJs. The quality of the writing dips as we get some sub-GH dark pretentious crap. As for her so-called production values -- what production values?? She came on Y&R -- a show famous for its lush and filmic production -- and made the sets look like Ally McBeal circa 1997. Slate-grey walls are not aesthetic! And on screen they look drab af! How can someone praised as the soap world's most accomplished technical producer not realise this after 30 effing years? 

 

Jill's ego is such that when she is hired somewhere, she imposes HER signature all over the show. She is so wrapped up in her own ossified brand that she doesn't bother researching the show, its history, tone, unique voice or color (it's like a fashion designer coming to Christian Dior, thinking he's the best designer the fashion world ever burped up, and setting fire to the Dior archives). Her main trick is generifying the show to make it look like every other mediocre show out there. A few years after she leaves, the show usually ends up being cancelled. These two events are intrinsically linked. She is usually fired because, duh, viewers leave in droves. As we all know, when viewers leave a soap, they rarely come back. JFP leaves every soap a wreck.

Cat, would A Martinez qualify as an FOJ in your book?

3 hours ago, MichaelGL said:

I think a majority of viewers would go for heart and character driven take over meaningless attempts at higher ratings.

Exactly 

A Martinez was Jill's #1 FOJ and he wore the badge with pride in interviews. He named a child for her.

 

Jill's obsession with AM destroyed GH for a year in 2001. He was fired the following year.

15 hours ago, JONNYSBRO said:

Sep 2-6, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.0/27

2. DAYS 5.8/20

3. AMC 4.9/18

4. B&B 4.8/17

5. GH 4.6/16

6. ATWT 4.1/16

7. OLTL 4.0/16

8. GL 3.5/13

9. AW 3.3/12

10. CITY 2.1/8

 

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 4.5/27

2. Y&R 4.1/27

2. AMC 4.1/27

4. GH 3.8/24

5. OLTL 3.4/22

6. AW 2.6/16

7. B&B 2.4/15

8. ATWT 2.2/15

9. GL 2.1/14

10. CITY 1.5/12

 

 

37

Sep 9-13, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.2/29

2. DAYS 6.0/22

3. AMC 4.9/18

4. GH 4.8/18

5. B&B 4.6/17

6. OLTL 4.3/17

7. ATWT 3.9/16

8. AW 3.5/14

9. GL 3.3/13

10. CITY 2.1/9

 

 

38

Sep 16-20, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.1/28

2. DAYS 5.9/21

3. AMC 5.0/18

4. GH 4.9/18

5. B&B 4.8/17

6. OLTL 4.4/17

7. ATWT 4.0/16

8. AW 3.4/13

8. GL 3.4/13

10. CITY 2.3/9

 

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 5.2/31

2. GH 4.4/29

2. AMC 4.4/27

4. Y&R 4.2/29

5. OLTL 3.9/26

6. AW 2.8/19

7. B&B 2.6/16

8. ATWT 2.3/15

9. GL 2.0/13

10. CITY 1.8/13

 

 

39

Sep 23-27, 1996

 

HH

1. Y&R 7.3/29

2. DAYS 5.9/21

3. B&B 4.8/18

4. AMC 4.7/18

4. GH 4.7/17

6. OLTL 4.2/17

6. ATWT 4.2/17

8. GL 3.7/14

9. AW 3.4/14

10. CITY 1.9/8

 

Women 18-49

1. DAYS 4.8/31

2. Y&R 4.2/30

3. GH 4.0/27

4. AMC 3.9/25

5. OLTL 3.5/24

6. AW 2.8/19

7. B&B 2.3/15

8. GL 2.2/15

9. ATWT 2.1/15

10. CITY 1.5/11

 

Toups credit goes to your 1996 ratings archive.

 

Michael read this and weep my friend. JFP was killing GL in the demos. She also was beating ATWT and B&B. AW might have stayed on air if they allowed Jill to continue her NYPD blue vision. They wanted it to be Reilly part 2 and it flopped. God Jill is a ratings getter

 

So where's that 34% increase that JFP brought to Another World?

 

it doesn't exist.

4 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

 

So where's that 34% increase that JFP brought to Another World?

 

it doesn't exist.

22 hours ago, Vee said:

A Martinez was Jill's #1 FOJ and he wore the badge with pride in interviews. He named a child for her.

 

Jill's obsession with AM destroyed GH for a year in 2001. He was fired the following year.

A's departure from GH in 2002 may have been involuntary, but it's my understanding that his contract was up anyhow.  At least from a legal standpoint, I can't say that A was fired from GH.  However, Mr. Martinez did express dissatisfaction with his GH stint in a 2015 episode of the BlogTalkRadio show Daytime After Dark.  

 

To me, it seems that A Martinez had the same basic problem on General Hospital that Marcy Walker (another FOJ, right?) had had on Guiding Light.  Yes, Jill Farren Phelps was EP of GL when Marcy joined the cast of that soap in 1993.  On a different episode of Daytime After Dark, Robert Newman admitted that Marcy was frustrated on GL.  Walker herself has publicly admitted that she was frustrated as Tangie Hill, though I can't say that she really blamed JFP.  Marcy ended up leaving GL in 1995.  It's my understanding that she decided not to renew her contract.  She rejoined the cast of All My Children shortly afterwards.  Marcy reportedly was offered a chance to join the cast of Another World during the period that JFP was EP of that soap.

Edited July 12, 20178 yr by GSGfan2017
Wanted to bring up "Another World" scenario as well as ask if Marcy was another FOJ

In fairness, it was trying to force A and Jensen down our throats.  He never should have been cast as Roy.  In another role, I think he could have had more staying power.  Once JFP arrived and Jackie was moved away from being a lead in the show, Roy'sdays were numbered.