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Loving/The City Discussion Thread
In regards to what the women were saying about Joe Stuart.. I view it as they were both right and wrong in their opinions on him. In regards to Susan Walters and her complaining about her low pay, what she needed to understand was that this was a business and pay increases are partly tied to ratings and Q-ratings. Loving was low rated and the budget was probably not suficient enough to offer her the raise that she believed she was entitled to. She did the sensible thing and walked away when they were unable to give her what she wanted, but she was also wrong to assume that she deserved the huge raise she wanted. The only story I felt for was Noelle Beck's because that was a horrible thing to even present to her and good for her sticking to her guns.
In regards to Leo and Shana, I think the show runners assumed that with Alex back.. that Alex/Ava were going to fill the void left by Leo/Shana's departure.. but the couplings were so different from one another. I have a feeling that the show wasn't able to write a happy and content Shana since most of her arc was always feeling like an island going back to her arrival in 1984 as the illegitimate daughter of Cabot and being an outsider in the Alden family and later losing both the love of her life and child in a plane crash. I think having Leo/Shana navigating their life with a baby and still maintaining the battle of the sexes rapport would have given the writers plenty of material since both were strong minded and set in their ways yet were in love with one another at the same time.By Soaplovers ·
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Loving/The City Discussion Thread
It means something, but I am not entirely sure what. I have a script from a month earlier and its the same credits you posted. I went and checked yesterday before I posted about the August date again because I wasn't sure if I had just missed Nixon's name earlier. But the credits read as I've stated for August 30: Written by McCarthy and Walsh with Story Consultant: Agnes Nixon. I'll get a screen shot for you in a little bit.
Loving's writing credits are hard to pin down at times. We have Paul Anthony Stewart claiming there was no headwriter in the summer of 1992, but that is not reflected onscreen. I would be curious to see if anyone has a script with just Walsh and McCarthy listed without Nixon's name anywhere on it.
This sounds fairly reasonable. I don't think there was any way to really end Trucker/Trisha's story on a happy note with Trisha in limbo. I much rather they just gave Dinahlee/Trucker a happy ending and called it a day. There were enough other characters in that presumed dead category that left Loving with story problems. I don't think we ever got bodies for Roger Forbes or Jack Forbes. In Jack's case, I do think a body was identified by Clay, but he was at the height of his schemes at that point.
Dinahlee dying is what I assumed was the original plan as well because Janie wasn't even in town when Ava's predictions occurred.
I don't know why they would keep Robert Tyler when they knew that Jessica Collins was going to depart. If Tyler stayed an extra six months, wouldn't that have brought his original exit to August, 1994, which was about the time that Collins should have been leaving. If they recast Trisha, keeping Tyler for six months makes some sense. Otherwise, not so much. I'm not doubting the did this, it's just such a bizarre move.
I'm nearly positive the casting call in 1994 for the role that Elizabeth Mitchell got was written to be Dinahlee's cousin, but that may have just been a cover for the recast.By dc11786 ·
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Y&R: Old Articles
Thank you for the tag.
Lance was no prize. I've never gotten John McCook's appeal and he has never worked for as a romantic leading man, and that's on both Y&R and B&B.By kalbir ·
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BTG: June 2026 Discussion Thread
Andre's time away from Fairmont Crest as a globe-trotting photographer is waiting to be explored.
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Y&R: June 2026 Discussion Thread
Random thought of the day - did they ever explain what happened with Noah and his girlfriend ex Allie? Or why they separated? Also did they ever explain how Matt came back from the dead or didn’t actually die all those years ago? Of course we know any explanation they gave would of been stupid but to just give no explanation at all is wild..
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Emmerdale: Discussion Thread
I mean have u watched Emmerdale lately.. That would be tame to all the other insane stuff lol
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Loving/The City Discussion Thread
It's funny. I will have to rewatch that interview because I could have sworn Marcantel complained about the 1993-1995 period saying that things felt so much more plot driven than it had in the 1980s. Maybe he enjoyed the Curtis in the cage stuff and I blocked it out lol. I remember because I was disappointed he felt that way because I found the Nixon period mostly enjoyable, but, in reflecting, a lot of Curtis' material in that period is bizarre. When I was looking for those end credits from August, 1994, yesterday, there was Marcantel's Curtis at the crash site dowsing the plane in gasoline, and I'm like ok I get it.
I thought the gaslighting story allowed Curtis to be a villain without making his actions too evil. He didn't know Trisha was alive so it was messed up, but, ultimately, he wasn't wrong. I also try to convince myself that some of Curtis having PTSD induced crash outs was a mix of the truth and deception like that Curtis probably was always struggling to keep it together, but that he would let go in order to emotionally manipulate Dinahlee and Trucker.
Honestly, they should have bit the bullet in 1994 and just recasted Trisha.
I just read a news account of Shana and Leo's departure. The show was claiming that they had no story for Shana and Leo until Patti could start to show outward symptoms of the developmental delays which was why they were being let go. When Shana and Leo leave, I'm nearly positive that it looks like Patti is on track developmentally, though they could have revisited it down the road. Also, saying there was no story was a cop out given Cabot's impending return and Ava gaining control of Burnell's. That was all material that would have kept Shana and Leo in the thick of things through the end of 1994.
Nixon's run had more pop ins from former characters, but I don't remember the interconnectiveness being much different than it had been in the previous year. Nixon had such a huge canvas.
Casey and Ally flounder under Nixon. I thought Casey's mental health crisis / drug addiction under McCarthy and Walsh was one of their strongest stories.
There are definitely parallels between Jeremy / Gilbert and Jonathan / Keith. When discussing this with you yesterday, it dawned on me that Nixon / Walsh / McCarthy basically are overseeing the show for most of late 1993 to early 1995. While we usually see Marland's name for 1983-1985, we also have more documentation to suggest that it would be more accurate to say Doug Marland & Agnes Nixon for 1983-1985 as we have outlines like the Jonathan story that start during the period preceding Marland's departure.
As I've stated, most of the Gilbert / Jeremy stuff doesn't work for me. It's very broad until the end, as I recall, but I really enjoyed the climax when Alex shoots Gilbert and the implication awas that Alex went to far putting Ava in the middle. LeClerc should never have been brought over to Loving in my opinion. If Richard Cox wanted to leave after a year, they should have recast Giff.
Nixon dumped a lot of what Taggart and Guza had set up with Angie and Frankie. I'm pretty sure the Angie / Trucker stuff started under Taggart and Guza before Nixon reset the story for Trucker / Dinahlee and then introducing Charles for Angie. They also seemed to be teasing a romantic tension between Alimi Ballard's Frankie and Amelia Heinle's Steffi which would have been very interesting given the conflict between Cooper and Frankie at the time.
I didn't necessarily see where they were going to go with Trucker and Angie nor was I overly interested. I was curious about Frankie and Steffi.By dc11786 ·
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Loving/The City Discussion Thread
It's possible the change from Marland to Nixon led to the change in Curtis. Come to think of it, Curtis is defanged even a bit under Marland when they pair him with Colby Cantrell, Rita Mae's niece who worked as a buyer for Burnell's. Curtis' pornographic past (he financed films when he was in Europe) came back to haunt him when model Sasha Hale came to town as she had started in one of his films. Colby didn't like this and she ended up involved with Jonathan Maitlane or Keith Lane. I can never remember which.
Watching the December, 1985, and January, 1986, material recently uploaded from around the wedding of Ava and Curtis, I get the sense that Ava was suppose to be the love of Curtis' life, in his eyes, but that he couldn't really tame her. Even at this point, Curtis is presented as slightly complicated as he has been chasing after and comforting his cousin's wife even though Jack and Stacey have run off to California to start a new life with little Johnny. By the time we get to Lottie, Curtis just seems more like watered down.
Regarding Shana and Leo, I appreciate the fact that they are two very different people with strong personalities. I can see the battle of the sexes element, but I don't think that it negates the fact that Leo is a male chauvinist, and I'm pretty sure this is stated onscreen. What I will say is that it is a true battle for the sexes; we aren't expected to agree with Leo's stance on things nor is Shana a perfect person. In pursuit of having a child, Shana has chosen Leo for his looks, despite his personality, because he's attractie and she wants good genes. While this is never directly addressed, Shana's pursuit of creating a perfect child, whether intentional or not on the part of the writers, ends up being disrupted by the possibility that Shana's baby might have developmental delays. I liked that Shana ended up having power over Leo when she co-signed the loan and he had only so many days to pay it back.
What I should have clarified was that while some of the attitudes that Guza may have had male characters exhibit later on General Hospital, the tone and plotting was quite different. I am always left feeling that Leo feels the way he does and that the writers do not share his vision. In addition, the women in peril genre was big in TV movies in the era and I've seen much more disturbing material on Levinson and Riche's General Hospital from the same period. Leo just being an egotistical jerk doesn't really hit the way the Quartermaine brothers slut shaming a childhood sex abuse survivor. Shana and Leo's material is never offensive me. Honestly, I found Ava's antics funny at times in this story, but trying a bit too hard at others.
While I hear what you are saying about changing perspectives, though I think, especially with what has come out about Joe Stuart and the general work environment in the 1980s in the Loving interviews from several years back, that examining some of the work through the lens of how gender is represented is not unwarranted. I would also agree with you that modern cancel culture does lead to dismissive attitudes towards material that may be less problematic than necessary. I think Leo's point of view is realistic, and I wish they had maintained it because characters with varying viewpoints is the natural source of drama.By dc11786 ·
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