If the show is struggling, it definitely has nothing to do with the loss of JH or lack of Adam Newman. 

Edited February 8, 20178 yr by ajsp35801

2 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

I think most of the vets are dead weight at this point, especially on the male side. I wish the show would question whether it's worth the risk even if they get backlash for cutting ties with walking corpses like Jack or Nick or Victoria. 

 

See, that's what I mean. There is NO WAY the show will cut Jack, Nick, and Victoria. None. 

 

It's not worth the risk, and they'd be stupid for cutting legacy characters.

1 hour ago, RavenWhitney said:

Sally just doesn't have a strong vision and with the budget cuts, losing Justin H.  And she inherited a show that found no real success with any Griffith/Passanante/Pratt introduced characters.  They went no where (Kyle, Sage etc.) And now the show is kind of running on empty.  Sally's stunt plot points are just lame or cheesy i.e .Mariah's sabotaged pump, the sabotaged teleprompter, the umpteenth car accident, the sex crazed teen (didn't Latham or Bell do a Daniel is addicted to internet porn plot), Mal's bad hospital lighting, Tognoni's new/bad 80s hairdo.  The show is just fizzling daily.  All the actors are in hyper overdrive mode, trying to elevate the pedestrian material.  Not working.  That's why Gloria is annoying.  When Alden/Smith wrote her stories 12 years ago, she was desperate and sad but determined and it all fit with the melodrama, the vases, the candelabras...But Phelps reduced all that fun Bell/extravagance to Sunset Beach style show.  Hope the show gets its mojo back.  Wondering if Mal is the right choice as the EP.  Had hopes for his tenure a few months ago, but the vision is lacking.

 

I swear I'm watching a different show.

 

Running on empty? No, it's not. It's better then it's been in years.  Reed is a sex-crazed teen? No, he's not. 

 

The he hospital lighting is bad! Huh? This is some huge problem??? And if you have info about "budget cuts," please share the details and links. Production values are much better since Mal arrived, and so is set decoration. 

 

Gina Tognoni's hairdo is bad? Huh??? If you don't like the hairstyle, fine, but it's not from the 80s, and I has nothing to do with the health of Y&R.

 

10 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

 

See, that's what I mean. There is NO WAY the show will cut Jack, Nick, and Victoria. None. 

 

It's not worth the risk, and they'd be stupid for cutting legacy characters.

 

What is a legacy character when said character hasn't had a good story in ten or more years (in some cases, like Victoria, it's been 15-20 years)? Would you say the show would lose anything with these characters gone? I can see it with Nick, maybe, but Jack and Victoria, not so much.

7 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

What is a legacy character when said character hasn't had a good story in ten or more years (in some cases, like Victoria, it's been 15-20 years)? Would you say the show would lose anything with these characters gone? I can see it with Nick, maybe, but Jack and Victoria, not so much.

 

Agree to disagree. I don't want those characters to leave, and I don't want actor changes, either. I like the continuity. I'm just not in favor of ripping apart the show I know -- especially when it's still so much better than the other three soaps.

9 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

What is a legacy character when said character hasn't had a good story in ten or more years (in some cases, like Victoria, it's been 15-20 years)? Would you say the show would lose anything with these characters gone? I can see it with Nick, maybe, but Jack and Victoria, not so much.

Mal should take a page from one of the UK soaps with characters' exits 

Just now, ranger1rg said:

 

Agree to disagree. I don't want those characters to leave, and I don't want actor changes, either. I like the continuity. I'm just not in favor of ripping apart the show I know -- especially when it's still so much better than the other three soaps.

 

I can respect that. I guess in my case I can't watch Jack anymore, it just makes me sad seeing what he's become over the last 10-15 years. Victoria I just have given up on because Heinle is so incapable and the writing is so consistently misogynist. But it's just my opinion.

Please remember: Raven thinks DAYS is excellent.

 

Oh Vee go shasaway to the nearest spa.  I actually agree I think Mal has been a dud as EP. At least with JFP she was experienced, better production values and a more cohesive show. I think Mal will be gone by summer. If i were CBS i would hire Wendy Riche shes a big fan of YR and she has loads of experience. Btw i think Gina hair looks great and i love it long. Remember her super short haircut when she came to YR i hated it.

Adam Newman is an albatross on this show. I hope he never returns.

10 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

While I'm not fond of old liver spots, I think he's one of the more popular characters played by one of the most popular actors on the show. Getting rid of Jack just isn't a good move. Now killing Victor is much better. Let Nikki lead the family as a nasty diva who will hold the family together or die trying. MTS would love it. 

 

But I do think the Newman tree needs pruning. Not recasting Adam was a good move IMO. It made me ecstatic to see last month's top 10 was not dominated by them and their connections. I can't remember the last time that happened. 

 

I love the idea of Victor dying and Nikki assuming the title of Head of the Family.  The Victor character has run it's course and Newmans are everywhere.

 

Jack needs to stay and (it's been said a million times) needs to assume a more supporting disposition.  He's too old to be a romantic lead, but still has value as CEO/Chairman of Jabot.  He works best in that role.  The Abbots need to be reconstituted and a commitment made to build that family.  Besides, Dead John is still walking around GC, we don't need a Dead Jack walking next to him.

 

I don't mind Mal Young. My issue with him is that he just hasn't done enough. It still feels very JFPish. The show still very much stinks of her. 

21 minutes ago, GMac said:

 

I love the idea of Victor dying and Nikki assuming the title of Head of the Family.  The Victor character has run it's course and Newmans are everywhere.

 

Jack needs to stay and (it's been said a million times) needs to assume a more supporting disposition.  He's too old to be a romantic lead, but still has value as CEO/Chairman of Jabot.  He works best in that role.  The Abbots need to be reconstituted and a commitment made to build that family.  Besides, Dead John is still walking around GC, we don't need a Dead Jack walking next to him.

 

 

I hollered. But it's true though. Jack needs to be a true patriarch. His kids and grandkids need to come on. Yes, that means keemo. PB will have to suck it up. Since the show wants phyllis to be this young sexy woman, they need to find jack a new long term love. I nominate Mrs Martinez. The show can tell that romance for him and her that should have been told for John and Mamie but the show  was too chicken to do it. But tbh, I wouldn't mind one bit if they settled him with Gloria until final credits. Just take him out of the romance rotation. 

Edited February 8, 20178 yr by ajsp35801

11 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

While I'm not fond of old liver spots, I think he's one of the more popular characters played by one of the most popular actors on the show. Getting rid of Jack just isn't a good move. Now killing Victor is much better. Let Nikki lead the family as a nasty diva who will hold the family together or die trying. MTS would love it. 

 

But I do think the Newman tree needs pruning. Not recasting Adam was a good move IMO. It made me ecstatic to see last month's top 10 was not dominated by them and their connections. I can't remember the last time that happened. 

 

IA, I think getting rid of Jack completely would leave a self-righteous, booming-voiced hole on the show. And in a weird way, I am inordinately fond of that self-righteous, booming-voiced presence. Equally, while I'm not a Nick fan per se, there is still something relatable and human about Joshua Morrow which connects me to the character and the character's history on the show.

 

Amelia Heinle is a big problem. I cannot emphasize enough how big a problem she is for the show and has been for the past 10-15 years (already!). There is nothing there. Her voice and presence is the equivalent of a wet rag. The preview of today's episode has her wanting to buy B&S for herself, and I think she brought her performance level up from comatose to narcoleptic.

 

This is a legacy character. This is someone expected to take Y&R into the next 10 years. The writers keep giving her story after story and love interest after love interest and it is a fail. Her SL with Reed is ofc one we can all relate to but she is just so low-energy that it is not enough to keep me glued. She is like a little grey cloud floating through the show. It is such a contrast with Billy and Phyllis in the elevator and even Gloria and Jack where at least we are getting some emotion and drama. The other problem is that everybody on set adores the apparently very personable Heinle BTS (a side of AH we never see onscreen, sadly) so they are loathe to replace her. But I really wish TPTB would bite the bullet already. Just send Victoria to Tokyo for work or something. 

Edited February 8, 20178 yr by Cat

 

 

Well JFP has been gone since June 8 2016 thats 8 months so we cant blame her anymore. The production values and the level of production have gone dow. Jill had a vision. Maybe if Sally had EP with a clear vision her writing would be better. Its funny is i liked Sallys stuff on DAYS she is tanking here 

10 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

I hollered. But it's true though. Jack needs to be a true patriarch. His kids and grandkids need to come on. Yes, that means keemo. PB will have to suck it up. Since the show wants phyllis to be this young sexy woman, they need to find jack a new long term love. I nominate Mrs Martinez. The show can tell that romance for him and her that should have been told for John and Mamie but the show  was too chicken to do it. But tbh, I wouldn't mind one bit if they settled him with Gloria until final credits. Just take him out of the romance rotation. 

 

SMH why they didn't.  IA, they should have went with John/Mamie but would they have done it justice?  The first thing they SHOULD have done is get rid of the "Mamie" moniker.  That name.  Grrr.

 

I will take Jack/Gloria, I actually think it's a good match (they have to control JC's mannerisms a little better.  everything is so DRAMATIC)