1 hour ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

In retrospect, maybe they like her like this. It's been so long since they've had a young actress who can really take command of a scene that they encourage it. I swear she's giving me MS and VR flashbacks when they used to compete for dominance in every scene. 

 

JM will have to get used to the new Nick. He's gonna have to come to grips with the fact that he can no longer play himself but is required to act. It'll take time. 

 

The thing is, Nick never was suppose to take over the business, that's Victoria job. They need to put Nick back at the coffeeshop or whatever that place was he & Sharon own.

Edited December 14, 20169 yr by MoTheGreat

I do see now they're trying with Hillary and the conversation with Jack is nice. It's a little flimsy but they are trying to give her depth.

That outside cafe is so stupid.

Victor singing Jingle Bells is HILARIOUS.

Joshua Morrow has spent twenty years relying on his charm and dimples (seriously, his scenes with Chelsea are lacking but you totally get why someone would jump his bones) you can't ask him to change now.

 

2 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

That outside cafe is so stupid.

Victor singing Jingle Bells is HILARIOUS.

 

So stupid! It's Wisconsin in the winter! I can't wait to see that scene. I miss Zapato.

Edited December 14, 20169 yr by Darn

I'm going to admit I really don't even like the look of that outside cafe and so called park. It's cluttered and messy. I'm happier when they're just on a bench talking in front of that huge sign. LOL. I think they can do better with that set.

Edited December 14, 20169 yr by KMan101

2 minutes ago, Darn said:

So stupid! It's Wisconsin in the winter! I can't wait to see that scene. I miss Zapato.

 

Who chooses to sit outside in the dead of winter to drink coffee?

 

It's like "Hmm, I COULD sit in a well lit building with heat; but no, I'm gonna sit in an overcast park so I can possibly catch pneumonia!"

Frankly, I can see why a lot of viewers don't like Hillary. She needs work and the actress needs some direction and nuance despite charm, charisma and the energy she brings. It'll happen but they have to actually invest in her. They want her to be strong and independent but she's doing it in all the wrong ways. She has no self reflection. I know she'll be defended but it's just how I feel. I do like her but I really can see why some don't.

1 hour ago, KMan101 said:

I'd like a little more self reflection from Hillary. Like her talk with Jack today, she's not "getting it" and I find that frustrating.

 

That is because the show doesn't want to change her character from what it is. I realized that today when they had her explain why she acts the way she acts now. They want fans to accept her like this and forget the two years that she was a more decent person.  They want to change Devon instead and have him okay with being with someone like her. I think they are gong to make him wrong in this little story arc. Which leads me to believe that TPTB are out of touch with viewers opinions.

1 hour ago, GMac said:

 

Makes sense.  IA with what y'all were saying yesterday about getting MM more polished but even now, as raw as she might be, she's so compelling to me to watch.  There's something about her that just draws my attention.  

 

@Vee You put into words just now with how those HK/MO came off on yesterday's show.  That's exactly what it felt like to me too.

 

 

Oh, I absolutely love watching Mishael Morgan onscreen. Her character, however, is extremely frustrating to actually watch,

26 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

Frankly, I can see why a lot of viewers don't like Hillary. She needs work and the actress needs some direction and nuance despite charm, charisma and the energy she brings. It'll happen but they have to actually invest in her. They want her to be strong and independent but she's doing it in all the wrong ways. She has no self reflection. I know she'll be defended but it's just how I feel. I do like her but I really can see why some don't.

 

ITA with this. But I think that the  character is designed for viewers to hate. I can't fault them for doing exactly what the show tells them to do.

10 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

That is because the show doesn't want to change her character from what it is. I realized that today when they had her explain why she acts the way she acts now. They want fans to accept her like this and forget the two years that she was a more decent person.  They want to change Devon instead and have him okay with being with someone like her. I think they are gong to make him wrong in this little story arc. Which leads me to believe that TPTB are out of touch with viewers opinions.

 

Oh, I absolutely love watching Mishael Morgan onscreen. Her character, however, is extremely frustrating to actually watch,

 

ITA with this. But I think that the  character is designed for viewers to hate. I can't fault them for doing exactly what the show tells them to do.

 

I agree with this. I think if they continue to do what they did today it will be fine. I'm just probably being overly picky.

They have a lot of work to do to figure out the Hilary character, but I'm more optimistic after today. I'm just glad that MM is not being tossed aside. 

And, no, to Victor stepping back nonsense. And, what sexism is it, that Victor is willing to hand NE to Nick rather than Victoria. B&S can easily be a NE subsidiary again - that story has been awkward from the start - cramming 3 + Jill into that tiny office. Gimme a break.

 

And, huge bonus to the writers for tapping Victor's humanity with the orphanage talk with Faith. EB shines when he discusses that part of Victor's history. The previous regimes tried to tap that twice since both Marissa AND Natalie were in orphanages, but they failed miserably in following through.

Hillary should boink Noah to p*ss off Sharon.

Victor was absolutely right in telling Nick to basically grow up and give the bar to Noah and work at Newman. I'd rather Victoria run Newman though. I can't believe how much more likeable Victor has become in just a week. Thank the Lord for small favors. I always enjoy Sharon vs. Nikki (they've had tension for 20 years now,  well before Sharon's mental problems/Christian, etc.) but I guess women sniping at each other anymore just doesn't work for me as much. I think they're all better than that, though the Newmans now have valid reasons to hate Sharon, which I don't like. Sharon was beaten down by the last few writers and it wasn't necessary.

Edited December 14, 20169 yr by KMan101

Victor will never willingly give Newman to Victoria. NEVER.

Dylan, please stop whining

olé Vic is up to sumthang

DAMN Nikki slammed dat door hard in Sharon's face LOL

11 minutes ago, rlj said:

Dylan, please stop whining

olé Vic is up to sumthang

DAMN Nikki slammed dat door hard in Sharon's face LOL

 

LOL, she sure did. I admit I laughed at that.

 

And while I think the writing for Dylan is a lot better I'm ready for him to exit stage left. Or right. Whichever he'd prefer.

24 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

Victor will never willingly give Newman to Victoria. NEVER.

 

Nope.

 

Personally I couldn't see either of his brats running the company. Messy ass Victoria or frat boy Nick. Such good choices. Too bad the real Victoria's been gone for the last 13 years. That's the Victoria I could see running the company. Not whatever Heinle is playing.