I have watched since day one..When did Paul rape Christine? I know Michael tried and went to prison for a longtime.

Back when someone foolishly penned Christine engaged to Michael. Paul was jealous and raped her. He used the term when he confessed his misdeeds to his brother, the preist.

Devon should just go away and leave the show. Any actor that cannot at least act guilty about effing his step-mom has no right to be called an actor. At least Hillary acts guilty about what she is doing. I think Kelley poisoned herself..No man is worth what these 2 women are putting themselves through.

Maybe Devon doesn't feel guilty.

Or maybe it isn't in the damn script!

I will root for Devon and Hilary no matter what!

They could [!@#$%^&*] on top of a blind comatose and flatlining Neil and I would still root for them.

And here's why?

Writers fucked the characters and actors over with this bullshit SL for no damn reason. It sickens me what they have done to this young promising couple. And I still can't for the life of me come up with a legitimate reason to tell this story, this way, for this long..other than the obvious. But people don't like to hear that so I won't go there right now!

THE END!

Edited January 21, 201510 yr by ajsp35801

I will root for Devon and Hilary no matter what!

They could [!@#$%^&*] on top of a blind comatose and flatlining Neil and I would still root for them.

And here's why?

Writers fucked the characters and actors over with this bullshit SL for no damn reason. It sickens me what they have done to this young promising couple. And I still can't for the life of me come up with a legitimate reason to tell this story, this way, for this long..other than the obvious. But people don't like to hear that so I won't go there right now!

THE END!

I also root for Devon & Hillary especially Devon. When Devon is giving a decent story line he pulls through.

I also root for Devon & Hillary especially Devon. When Devon is giving a decent story line he pulls through.

When Bryton is given anything, he pulls through. Even this shitty mess, he makes work. He and Mishael Morgan have little to no dialogue most of the time. They are given nothing to attempt to soften the blow of this. Bryton gets even less for Devon than Mishael gets for Hilary. At least Hilary gets to pay lip service. Devon can't do that because he is written as the pursuer. And people dare want the actor gone as if he writes his own damn lines. Give me a break.

So is Tobias still snooping around? If he is, I must have slept through his recent screen time. Or did they drop his involvement in the story after Victor was talking to an unknown participant in stealing Ashley's formula?

Anyways.

If they plan on killing Joe, could he also be involved in spying on Jabot? He did stop by at least once under pretense. That would amp up the number of people "pissed" at him.

Are you? Granted, I didn't watch today (or record it) but that story is still so-so for me. It's good to know there was a break from Dylan and Avery.

I want to like it but its just not interesting me.

As for Devon is a sh..crappy story that's it period. I give less than flying flip about seeing him in a triangle with his daddy feeling sorry for Hillary she married that old coot when Devon tried to stop her so she can just wallow in it could care less. I just want it over cuz it sucks. The actor has nothing to do with this.

But soap triangles aren't my favorite cup of tea because (IMO) for the most part they are very poorly written/executed...its a go to when writers need something. Its ingrained in the writing who will get the sympathy card, who will get thrown under the bus.... its not a true triangle its always skewered to who they want you to root for. I'm sitting here now trying to think of the last good triangle on a soap that I watched (in recent times). And nothing comes to mind.

Edited January 21, 201510 yr by Cyberologist

I want to like it but its just not interesting me.

As for Devon itsa sh..crappy predictable story that's it period. I give less than flying flip about seeing him in a triangle with his daddy or/and feeling sorry for Hillary she married that old coot when Devon tried to stop her so she can just wallow in it could care less. I just want it over cuz it sucks. The actor has nothing to do with this.

But soap triangles aren't my favorite cup of tea because (IMO) for the most part they are very poorly written/executed...its a go to when writers need something. Its ingrained in the writing who will get the sympathy card, who will get thrown under the bus.... its not a true triangle its always skewered to who they want you to root for. I'm sitting here now trying to think of the last good triangle on a soap that I watched (in recent times). And nothing comes to mind. But I'm enjoying the quad on B/B.

Edited January 21, 201510 yr by Cyberologist

I want to like it but its just not interesting me.

As for Devon is a sh..crappy story that's it period. I give less than flying flip about seeing him in a triangle with his daddy feeling sorry for Hillary she married that old coot when Devon tried to stop her so she can just wallow in it could care less. I just want it over cuz it sucks. The actor has nothing to do with this.

But soap triangles aren't my favorite cup of tea because (IMO) for the most part they are very poorly written/executed...its a go to when writers need something. Its ingrained in the writing who will get the sympathy card, who will get thrown under the bus.... its not a true triangle its always skewered to who they want you to root for. I'm sitting here now trying to think of the last good triangle on a soap that I watched (in recent times). And nothing comes to mind.

Yes. It's always skewed! Always. And this rancid crap with Neil/Hilary/Devon is some of the worst one sided crap I have ever seen. Poor, blind, dupe, Neil who gives the Thanksgiving blessing and reads A Christmas Carol in braile as the wee little ones lean against his massive chest. It screams root for Neil at every turn because of EVUL DEVON, the mother !@#$%^&*], literally. And they can't even pull that off because Neil seems like a perv with all this sex talk about Hilary. So that lowers his rooting value as well. And Hilary is just there to look pretty and has no real POV. One scene she wants to have all Devon's babies and is living for the small moments with him and the next she can't meet him for one of those moments she lives for because it's "too complicated". These writers should have never tackled this. It's an abomination!

Edited January 21, 201510 yr by ajsp35801

Most triangle or quad or octagon are good when family members aren't involved. But we seen this before with the Winters. & it's very predictable for black characters on any soap.

I want to like it but its just not interesting me.

As for Devon itsa sh..crappy predictable story that's it period. I give less than flying flip about seeing him in a triangle with his daddy or/and feeling sorry for Hillary she married that old coot when Devon tried to stop her so she can just wallow in it could care less. I just want it over cuz it sucks. The actor has nothing to do with this.

But soap triangles aren't my favorite cup of tea because (IMO) for the most part they are very poorly written/executed...its a go to when writers need something. Its ingrained in the writing who will get the sympathy card, who will get thrown under the bus.... its not a true triangle its always skewered to who they want you to root for. I'm sitting here now trying to think of the last good triangle on a soap that I watched (in recent times). And nothing comes to mind. But I'm enjoying the quad on B/B.

Edited January 21, 201510 yr by MoTheGreat

Yes. It's always skewed! Always. And this rancid crap with Neil/Hilary/Devon is some of the worst one sided crap I have ever seen. Poor, blind, dupe, Neil who gives the Thanksgiving blessing and reads A Christmas Carol in braile as the wee little ones lean against his massive chest. It screams root for Neil at every turn because of EVUL DEVON, the mother !@#$%^&*], literally. And they can't even pull that off because Neil seems like a perv with all this sex talk about Hilary. So that lowers his rooting value as well. And Hilary is just there to look pretty and has no real POV. One scene she wants to have all Devon's babies and is living for the small moments with him and the next she can't meet him for one of those moments she lives for because it's "too complicated". These writers should have never tackled this. It's an abomination!

Back in the day, triangles weren't typically written to generate rooting value/sympathy for one potential couple over the other. But you're right in this regard with Devon/Hillary/Neil. The story didn't need to be told if the end game was Devon/Hillary. I actually liked Neil with Leslie and they should have stayed together, IMO. There was enough going on with Hillary vs. Winters that would have made for a good "forbidden lovers" SL with her and Devon. The other shitty part for me is that they've taken all of Hillary's edge away with this story.

This was a long time ago, but the last triangle that I thoroughly enjoyed was the Alan-Michael/Eleni/Frank story on GL. Well, at least the beginning of it, because of the reasons I mentioned above. There wasn't a "bad" guy in the traditional sense, although AM was written as a gray character.

If Tobias is the scientist/spy working for Ashley, she busted him today. She told him she wouldn't call the police if he told her who Victor's other spy was, but he didn't know.

Thanks, I missed yesterday's show. I don't think Tobias knows about the other spy, at least from what I've seen and why would Ashley think there's someone else? Did she say why she believes there's another spy apart from him?

I think the other spy does turn out to be Abby and that she is trying to make it look like Stitch. This would have great consequences when it came out. Ashley would be devastated that Abby turned on her and give her something great to play. Plus, Abby has never liked Stitch so it would make sense she is trying to get him away from Victoria by making it look like he was working with Victor. Besides, who else could it be? It's not like they show a lot of people in that small lab!

I think the other spy does turn out to be Abby and that she is trying to make it look like Stitch. This would have great consequences when it came out. Ashley would be devastated that Abby turned on her and give her something great to play. Plus, Abby has never liked Stitch so it would make sense she is trying to get him away from Victoria by making it look like he was working with Victor. Besides, who else could it be? It's not like they show a lot of people in that small lab!

Good point, I was thinking that Abby was a possibility as well, IF they explain her motivations for doing it. She has been taking samples of the formula, afterall.

I was just thowing out there the possibility that it's Joe, given what most think will happen to him. Although to have him involved in two of Victor's shenanigans might not work.

Edited January 21, 201510 yr by GMac

This Phyllis/Kelly mindfuck mystery is actually legitimately compelling, almost too much so for the rest of what has been a largely lousy show. Same with the very gothic Gabriel/Adam/Sage stuff, and that great house set.

Back in the day, triangles weren't typically written to generate rooting value/sympathy for one potential couple over the other. But you're right in this regard with Devon/Hillary/Neil. The story didn't need to be told if the end game was Devon/Hillary. I actually liked Neil with Leslie and they should have stayed together, IMO. There was enough going on with Hillary vs. Winters that would have made for a good "forbidden lovers" SL with her and Devon. The other shitty part for me is that they've taken all of Hillary's edge away with this story.

This was a long time ago, but the last triangle that I thoroughly enjoyed was the Alan-Michael/Eleni/Frank story on GL. Well, at least the beginning of it, because of the reasons I mentioned above. There wasn't a "bad" guy in the traditional sense, although AM was written as a gray character.

Thanks, I missed yesterday's show. I don't think Tobias knows about the other spy, at least from what I've seen and why would Ashley think there's someone else? Did she say why she believes there's another spy apart from him?

That's because Devon and Hilary didn't start out as the end game couple IMO. That was Neil and Hilary. TPTB gave that pairing every advantage to work. It was free and clear. Even gave viewers a reason to want Neil to move on and find love by having Leslie randomly marry, off screen, someone she had just met. Unfortunately, Neil and Hilary fizzled as soon as they hit the screen. After that, I think that the writers thought to just tell a scintillating tale and end it right when Mishael Morgan's contract was up (this April, I do believe) so that they could send her on her way like every other WOC that didn't catch on with Neil. Some sort of way, Devon and Hilary did catch on. So now they are somewhat stuck because CBS seems to like the pairing. The network likes to pretend at diversity, you know.

This Phyllis/Kelly mindfuck mystery is actually legitimately compelling, almost too much so for the rest of what has been a largely lousy show. Same with the very gothic Gabriel/Adam/Sage stuff, and that great house set.

Kelly and Phyllis are interesting. It's hard to tell which is actually telling the truth.

Kelly and Phyllis are interesting. It's hard to tell which is actually telling the truth.

I am starting to warm up to this story. I still have a lot of problems with how it started and it's execution, but I'm gonna ignore those things for now and see what happens.

I would like it if the Phyllis/Kelly story ended up being someone else involved and that neither one of them was the one trying to set up the other....(especially over Jack!) ...but I have no idea who or how it would work. Usually stories can be scene coming for miles but this one has me constantly going back and forth. That alone makes me like it.....then throw in CM and GT sparring and I'm there.