Jack always loved Phyllis? WHAT?! Oh, I am done! LOL!

Ridiculous. It will be even worse if they try to sell us the notion that Phyllis always loved Jack though.

Maybe if Ian Ward was as terrifying, evil and merciless as Mitch Laurence then I'd buy Nikki going off the wagon

I'd be looking forward to a story where Sharon works hard to build a relationship with a reluctant Mariah...except I know better. Oh, Mariah might turn a cold shoulder to her newfound birth mother NOW, but in a few months, it'll be as if Mariah has been there all along.

I do hope they don't just make it all perfect soon. However, I do not want it to turn into a sick Erica/Kendall (SMG), where they intentional did things to hurt each other. Not that Sharon would do that, but Mariah easily could and that would be painful to watch. I'm good with Mariah being skeptical, reluctant, confused, resentful, etc. I'm not OK if they have Mariah try to hurt Sharon (like drugging, seducing and getting pregnant with Nick or Noah's baby). I probably shouldn't have said that because I may be giving people ideas....

Especially considering Noah and Mariah are now brother/sister

As it is, however, we're just marking time until the inevitable -- and who knows? It'll likely climax with Kelly becoming psycho and attempting to kill Jack and/or Phyllis, Stitch learning Kelly was their father's real killer (co-HW or not, this is still Jean Passanante in charge), thus getting HIM off the hook, and Kelly winding up either dead or fleeing town.

Just as sure as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, THIS is going to happen!

I still don't see how Mariah is Cassie twin when they are now younger then Noah.

Edited September 3, 201411 yr by MoTheGreat

I still don't see how Mariah is Cassie twin when they are not younger then Noah.

I'm sure they'll have it that Cassie and Mariah are like 2 years older

The Nikki/Ian scenes were some of the worst I have seen on any soap in a long time. Folks on Twitter were saying how powerful they were and Dullen messed them up by showing up. I became curious and watched. It was horrible. MTS and Wise s/b ashamed

Then to make matters worse? Davery and their buttermilk asses as well as Jack and Dixie Cooney?! Then I see notPhyllis wake up and the deSORASing still bugs me. Is she and Avery now fraternal twins?

Awful show! Just awful. I will tune back in next week for Shemar's guest appearances.

This crap is an embarrassment.

Maybe if Ian Ward was as terrifying, evil and merciless as Mitch Laurence then I'd buy Nikki going off the wagon

Not even. I mean, it was stupid for Nikki to become an addict in the first place. That's why Bill Bell wrapped it up with that WTF dressing-down from Victor and then moved on.

The Nikki/Ian scenes were some of the worst I have seen on any soap in a long time. Folks on Twitter were saying how powerful they were and Dullen messed them up by showing up. I became curious and watched. It was horrible. MTS and Wise s/b ashamed

Then to make matters worse? Davery and their buttermilk asses as well as Jack and Dixie Cooney?! Then I see notPhyllis wake up and the deSORASing still bugs me. Is she and Avery now fraternal twins?

Awful show! Just awful. I will tune back in next week for Shemar's guest appearances.

This crap is an embarrassment.

I think Vee said it best in another thread: JFP is hedging her bets on some things, because she and everyone else realizes Jean Passanante and Shelly Altman are just not cut out for this show.

Why not replace these writers?

I don't remember the exact first airdate for Sharon Case, but I know it was in September 1994.

As for Phyllis, I remember her first scene was at Cricket's Legal Aid office and I'm pretty sure that was also in September 1994. The October 1994 scene you might be thinking of is Rex's funeral reception, where Phyllis showed up unexpectedly; I remember her introducing herself to Victor and a pregnant Hope, and possibly some of the Abbotts.

SC's first airdate I believe is said to be September 7, 1994 which is also when Karen Hensel first came on as Doris ( I don't remember who was the first actress though)

Phyllis either came on October 17 or October 18th 1994 ( I think it was the 18'th) but yes her first public appearance in G.C was December 1994 were she crashed Rex's funeral.....

I didn't know she introduced herself to Victor or Hope or the Abbotts back then as I always thought like Sheila Phyllis had limited interactions until a few years into her run....I wonder if she knew Jack back then....

I think Vee said it best in another thread: JFP is hedging her bets on some things, because she and everyone else realizes Jean Passanante and Shelly Altman are just not cut out for this show.

I don't know if she's the one doing that, but I think their work seems actually intimidated by the scale and scope of the show and its stakes and history. To say nothing, I'm sure, of Sony and JFP also putting their hands in on designated couples, performers, etc.

But I think they're all confused and scared. I think it's a lot of different heads knocking together struggling to put out a peppy, cheap Brian Frons ABC-styled show that just happens to be named The Young and the Restless. I think Sony, like many in the industry, were dazzled by JFP's years of "glory" at GH (where she was still third down the power ladder behind Bob Guza and Brian Frons), I think they hired JFP thinking, according to the conventional wisdom, that she was a budget-cutting, Emmy-winning machine - even though her GH was regularly overbudget (and shored up by the budgets of OLTL and sometimes AMC) and even though she merely games the Emmy voting system. I think they thought she would modernize and more importantly, streamline and cut down their old show to size. And Y&R, as Y&R, is simply too big for her too. But they want an ABC-shaped widget of a soap, and that is what she is struggling to give them. I think she thought having (cheap) writers from that network would help. Frankly I'm starting to wonder when she might call Bob Guza. That would be a real shitshow.

Edited September 3, 201411 yr by Vee

Why not replace these writers?

Chances are, no one else wants the job.

On the one hand, CBS (well, Barbara Bloom) and SONY were wrong to assert more control over the show in the wake of Bill Bell's death. Yes, the ratings were slipping, but so were ratings for soaps across the board. I don't look at that as being Kay Alden's, Ed Scott's, or even Jack Smith's fault. But, on the other hand, when the Bell family still could wield considerable, if not total, power, look what happened: they left Bill Jr.'s trophy wife in charge. And now, what we are suffering through is the result of that decision. Maria facked up in a big way, "the suits" decided they were the only ones who could steer the ship properly from now on, and now no one with any real talent will come near the show without some serious favors promised from above.

It's awful, but it's reality, and it probably means Y&R won't last forever either.

Edited September 3, 201411 yr by Khan

They don't want Y&R to last forever. They want it to be able to drowned in a bathtub until they decide to pull the plug, and even in just the last few years of rotating regimes it is experiencing the swiftest decline I have ever seen for a show that was and still is on top. That may include primetime.

They want to do what Frons did to the daytime line-up, which was make it as cheap as possible until it's disposable. (Frons wanted only Guza's GH saved at all costs, of course, but that's another story.)