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Edited August 1, 201411 yr by Marco Dane

Around the 80s or so....I believe.

Its just another insta pairing with nothing but fluff in it.

+1

And how are we suppose to take this couple seriously when they haven't been on air in months.

That's just it. They are not a couple. FrankenMilo told Felix he has a crush. Felix told him to ask her out and FrankenMilo did. Nothing wrong with that.

As for them not getting any airtime, that club is not so exclusive for characters not created by Craptini. Also, it was really nice to see so many embrace the potential [cause that's all you're gonna get] of the pairing. Their squish is MagicJohnson. Pretty cool

Actors are informed if they're going to have to play some sort of same-sex involvement which the show knows is down the pike. Producers don't want their actors to be uncomfortable. To me that sounds like an actor desperate for an elusive gig who perhaps should have passed. Or maybe he thought he could do it and... couldn't. I sided with that guy who played Adam on Y&R because he has every right to say no to something he's uncomfortable doing, period. You negotiate, you quit, or you get fired. "You're an actor, do your job!" is a short-sighted and potentially dangerous point of view.

I am very glad they made Olivia articulate the major reason Carly got with Franco - a breakdown post-Jason and following her hasty, rebound relationships with Johnny and Todd (who Carly wrongly saw as 'a different kind of guy,' and who Franco resembles) which both ended in deceit. In reality, Carly would never have touched Franco anyway, but it's the best rationale you can come up with for what's happened.

My fear is that it's just another feint - that Ron and Frank still haven't given up on their bullheaded Roger Howarth crusade and that it's just a loop back around, like in the horrific Heather crisis in December and January, to showing the naysayers and 'haters' that Carly and poor Franco are meant for each other after all.

As of now? It's definitely looking like both Silas and Franco are on the chopping block. But this creative team and their attitudes are plain these days; they believe they are soaps now - apres moi, le deluge - and so I have a fair bit of doubt that it's not just another pending reversal and another '[!@#$%^&*] you' to all critics.

Edited August 16, 201411 yr by Vee

If I have to edit one more double post I am going to scream. This board used to have a setting to prevent them.

Edited August 16, 201411 yr by SFK

I still think Carlivati is crafting Milo's gay coming out story. First Milo the hunk has no girlfriend, then he's interested in Lulu, a married woman, and now he's interested in a middle aged woman. He's confused and will come out eventually.

That's Ron's pervy preferred version, I'm sure, but IMO it won't happen. And no, I do not care about Milo and Epiphany. I think it's a gag pairing, and the thing is that while I'm sure there is some affection for the characters there, Ron treats too many characters who are not white divas or hot men like jokes.

Edited August 16, 201411 yr by Vee

If I have to edit one more double post I am going to scream. This board used to have a setting to prevent them.

Amateurs! I always know it goes through even when it don't. Good old SON!

I'm the doubting Thomas of double posts.

I wonder when we'll even see Milo and Piph together again. I predict 3 months from now.

AlexElizabeth, just giving you love for the Leslie avatar.

Milo would not really be a good addition, no. Everything about the gay storyline is ADD and tacky.

Ron is clearly a little obsessed with Derk(?) Cheetwood and his body, and keeps flirting with the idea of making 'hot' Milo gay for fictional avatar Felix - I strongly suspect the shy, mild-mannered nurse is the one Carlivati or someone on the writing staff identifies with most - but he can't do it. And it's creepy to watch.

There is no actual story for the gay characters, just like there is no actual character for most of them. So much of it comes from the actors trying to make their best out of a surplus of one-liners and 'sassy' repartee. Their storyline resurfaces every three to four weeks and like almost every other story on the show now, we're expected to accept quantum shifts in the story that have happened offscreen. But who is Lucas? What is he about? What does he do? Is Brad a creep or a good guy deep down? Why is Felix so obsessed with Sabrina's life vs. his own? And more importanty, when did they all grow so close?

None of that is deemed important. And it's too bad, because an actual polyamory/threesome storyline works - the bones of it I have seen onscreen really do work. It reminds me of the kind of stuff the PP soaps tried to play last summer, the kind of envelope they tried to push regarding sexuality and intimacy. (This is far from the only example but their open marriage story barely happened at all; however, their OLTL was besieged by rewrites that surely contributed to that, and at least we knew Vimal and Rama well beforehand.)

I would love to be able to applaud GH for playing with this idea, although I frankly doubt they will go all the way. But the reason this promising idea for a story doesn't work on the show is because there is no 'there' there with these people. The characters' relationships are a C or D-plot affair at best, on every other handful of weeks, and the characters themselves are barely developed at all. Lucas has almost no personality or inner life - he is a hunky object of affection played by a known stud, a talisman for the two established ancillary gays to ogle over. 'Which one will win him?' Most of his rare conversations with family revolve around not him or his history or future or career, but his sex life. He has no other friends. Brad's personality and the writers' take on him being either a good guy or a rat fluctuates on any given day, and he has no friends other than Britt and the guys he wants to [!@#$%^&*] - the implication is that because he is the lowly Asian recurring player he's not worth bothering more with. And Felix is a mess we've all discussed before.

And when they do get together and talk? All they do is talk about incredibly stereotypical gay iconography that sounds like it was written by straight women or aaging queens - old sitcoms with middle-aged women and old '80s soaps - or about their straight friends' problems, or about [!@#$%^&*] each other. Or they make more sassy jokes.

That's not a way to tell any story on a soap, let alone one about polyamory. It's not the way OLTL did Kish, and since I know Jamey Giddens has been out stumping for this, I am not saying that every GLBT story needs to be like that or needs to have to have a message or a social conscience - far from it. I have been advocating for more gay villains or vixens or casual lovers, more nastiness and sin and crazy [!@#$%^&*] for the gays since before Frank Valentini became an EP at OLTL. I want it, I need it, it needs to happen to normalize GLBT stories on soaps. But just because you want to do those edgier stories doesn't mean you get a free pass to write the gay characters as two-dimensional ciphers who subsist entirely on Grindr chat and a middle-aged gay man's Netflix playlist. It's [!@#$%^&*] insulting.

I've got to hand it to you, Vee. When you're right, you're right.

AlexElizabeth, just giving you love for the Leslie avatar.

I love my Leslie

Why does Ron even give Milo a semblance of a story? The guy who plays him isn't much of an actor and there's no attachment to that character.

Ron totally wants to make Milo gay...I still think it will happen.

Ally Sweeney's directing was awesome. Hire that girl.

I'd prefer her at Days, she does better there than whatever GH has become

Milo has been around for 8 yrs or so he's had lightweight stories here and there...I can take a storyline with him just as well as any of the newbies they've dragged on front and center and construct insta families.

Cheetwood's acting ability is a tad better than Nate Westbourne' at least he knows where the camera is and what to do with his hands...But this romance is so out of the blue.

I don't expect Ron to give them much attention, anyway, just more of his shock -surprise, hardy har har for sh. and giggles...I have no expectations other than it going pure camp then ~crickets.

I guess with Billy Miller (supposedly not coming) to assist Michelle Stafford to eat the show at least Milo is a familiar face. I don't know exactly what to look for when a director is directing crappy material...so I cant' decipher what is so great about Alison Sweeney's directorial debut on GH. All I can say is she did an adequate job.

Edited August 16, 201411 yr by Cyberologist