Empire: Discussion Thread

[YRBB]

Word of mouth has certainly played a part in the show's continued success. I know I've gotten at least two other people to watch, and they loved it too. I hope it continues to rise!

[Cheap21]

You guys got me to watch it as I wasnt here for the premiere last Wed...lol

[Soapsuds]

I was going to post this earlier. This is a good sign that they are building the audience instead of HTGAWM and they had a huge audience and lost half already.

[marceline]

I forgot to mention the thing that I really liked about last night's episode: Becky found out about Lucious' illness. I was wondering what Becky's role was going to be and now I see how she fits in. It helps the drama to have one person clued in to what's going on with him and their conversation helped give him some softer layers.

[Juliajms]

Hell, no. Not only couldn't, but probably shouldn't. He can bide his time and see how things shake out.

This show makes the drama lover in me giddy. Loved it when Cookie told that rapper to bring it because she had faced bigger and more talented in prison. I think Lucious actually loves it that Cookie is still street (for lack of a better way to describe it).

[ThePrinceOfSunspear]

I was shocked at how she went at that thug. I literally wasn't expecting it and then I thought about it and I was like "Right this is Cookie...who's been in jail and doesn't take any nonsense". Still the way the guy rudely replied with his vulgar language was just beyond the pale.

[ajsp35801]

Hakeem is no better than FoFo. They are like the worst stereotype of rappers I have ever seen. But at least they softened Hakeem by showing that he can be funny, insecure, and cares about his father's respect.

And isn't there a transgender person in his crew. I kept trying to figure it out because that actor is gorgeous.

In Andre's defense again, he was so manic that he probably can't tell whether what is happening is real or something that he is hallucinating.

Edited January 15, 2015 by ajsp35801

[Juliajms]

I don't think they've made it clear yet. There is a woman who is far from "girly", but I don't know that we are supposed to think she wants people to think of her as a male.

[ChitHappens]

That was Azmarie, Raven Simone's gf. She is not transgendered but an androgynous model who plays whatever is needed.

[ajsp35801]

Oh okay. Thanks. The screen likes her as she kept catching my eye.

[London]

I was in tears when she called his boyfriend Dora and the swole look he had after. I really like that boyfriend. Annnnnnnd homegirl used a bib to go down on her dude. This show has me in bed almost dying from laughing so hard while I have a cold.

[ThePrinceOfSunspear]

I like how he's not that pressed about Cookie at all. He loves Jamal and I think he sees a lot of her in him and vice versa. I just love how they're portraying him and their relationship but it doesn't feel forced or anything.

[YRBB]

So I can make it three on my list!

That was really great. I'm glad to see they gave Becky a little more to do than just the ever-suffering assistant.

Agreed!

Yes! That was a great Cookie moment. I feel like so much happened in the episode, it was difficult to remember it all, but that was definitely great. And true. As for Lucious, you can see it in many of his reactions to Cookie: That woman still impresses the hell out of him.

[YRBB]

IDA with you at all about Hakeem being the worst stereotype of a rapper that they then softened. In just two episodes, we've already seen many sides of him, many dimensions, and that automatically stops him from being a stereotype. On top of that, his acting out in the restaurant is well-founded (his grief over his father figure being shot to death). As for FoFo, the guy was a total tool, but the sense I got was that he's a big celebrity with a horrible personality that let the fame get to his head. He's still an ass but the writing was strong enough to communicate that.

I thought it was just a gay woman.

[ajsp35801]

During the first episode, I was SURE that I would hate Hakeem. From the way he spoke to the way he dressed and everything about him screamed stereotypical. They changed all that in the second episode. So I think that we do agree. You didn't say much differently that what I said. At least I didn't think that you did.