It's the writing that's killing Y&R and it's been the writing since LML.

The writing has been horrible since Jack Smith.

Everything wrong with Y&R currently began with him.

The writing has been horrible since Jack Smith.

Everything wrong with Y&R currently began with him.

i'll agree with that. Even though the ratings didn't really reflect it, Kay Alden's tenure was the best, and who we needed to have all along. But the straw that broke the camel's back here is the production model, the directing and the music. Not so much the sets... but the WAY the sets are filmed, and of course, the background music being gone has completely destroyed the continuity the show has had for 40 years. A first class production model with continuity goes a long way to mitigating any shortcomings in the writing. It's doesn't FIX them, but makes them less offensive, because the show itself looks and sounds so good.

Edited October 21, 201312 yr by alphanguy74

So do we all agree that the writing on this show has been bad for years?

I'm not trying to be negative but I just wonder, without a major restructuring of how this show functions (including the passive aggressive behavior of some of Y&R's actors), I wonder how it will get any better, no matter who they bring in.

Just an aside question:

Does anyone (beside me) think that maybe JFP has been trying to write some of the storylines herself (e.g. Delia's death) undercover/on the sly? Like a co-ghostwriter or something? If she is, then she should definitely stop.

So do we all agree that the writing on this show has been bad for years?

I'm not trying to be negative but I just wonder, without a major restructuring of how this show functions (including the passive aggressive behavior of some of Y&R's actors), I wonder how it will get any better, no matter who they bring in.

Just an aside question:

Does anyone (beside me) think that maybe JFP has been trying to write some of the storylines herself (e.g. Delia's death) undercover/on the sly? Like a co-ghostwriter or something? If she is, then she should definitely stop.

I don't think she's been writing most of the stories aside from maybe Delia's because that was between writers.

Let's face it. Y&R will never be the same show it was when Bill Bell was alive and in control. Kay Alden should have been kept, since she had written with him since 1974 and Ed Scott who had been around in a production capacity since 1976.

JFP will run this show into the ground.

I heard Ed Scott had a bad falling out with Sony after his days stint.

Let's face it. Y&R will never be the same show it was when Bill Bell was alive and in control. Kay Alden should have been kept, since she had written with him since 1974 and Ed Scott who had been around in a production capacity since 1976.

JFP will run this show into the ground.

Exactly. I'm divorced from Y&R ever being a quality show ever again because the people who could (and were) maintain the program are gone.

Let's face it. Y&R will never be the same show it was when Bill Bell was alive and in control. Kay Alden should have been kept, since she had written with him since 1974 and Ed Scott who had been around in a production capacity since 1976.

JFP will run this show into the ground.

Exactly. I'm divorced from Y&R ever being a quality show ever again because the people who could (and were) maintain the program are gone.

Yeah, I don't expect any of the current daytime dramas to be written as well as they were in their heyday.

It would be nice, though, if Y&R resembled something close to what it became well known and loved for.

I don't think she's been writing most of the stories aside from maybe Delia's because that was between writers.

The Dylan as Nikki's son seems like a storyline that she might have heavily influenced, if not written on the sly. It seems like one of those 11th Hour stories that was stuffed in once Y&R realized that a lot of people weren't taking to the Dylan character on his own merits. So as a last ditch effort, someone (*coughs JFP) decided to connect Dylan to a veteran character to tie him to the GC landscape.

Given the timing of this story line, I would guess JFP's fingerprints are on this story, JMO.

The Dylan as Nikki's son seems like a storyline that she might have heavily influenced, if not written on the sly. It seems like one of those 11th Hour stories that was stuffed in once Y&R realized that a lot of people weren't taking to the Dylan character on his own merits. So as a last ditch effort, someone (*coughs JFP) decided to connect Dylan to a veteran character to tie him to the GC landscape.

Given the timing of this story line, I would guess JFP's fingerprints are on this story, JMO.

I agree. It pisses me off how she crammed SB and his character down viewers throats to force viewers to accept him. There is so much history to be mined for current storylines, but we have a rewritten mish mash just to make her lap dog front and center of attention.

Wonder how long before she drags on another FOJ like Tony Geary or Kale Browne to play his Daddy.

Maybe Ian (Tony Geary) screwed Nikki on the floor of a GC disco.

Edited October 23, 201312 yr by SoapDope

JG basically said he quit over "Creative Differences"

I wonder if these stories were his or he was forced to write them by CBS/JFP

Well guys since Jill got her highest ratings for y and r since February fond urging Delia's death dont expect her to go anywhere. Let's see she's higher every week then Maria was and reminds of 1999 with Jessica's baby and oltl hit number 1 demos.

I don't even think JFP is half of Y&R's problem. Though I think her music choices and set redecoration has been poor, the show hasn't deviated much from the look of the MAB days, which were a vast improvement on the LML sets and lighting.

It's the writing that's killing Y&R and it's been the writing since LML.

This is how I feel. Y&R was bad way before JFP came along.

Well guys since Jill got her highest ratings for y and r since February fond urging Delia's death dont expect her to go anywhere. Let's see she's higher every week then Maria was and reminds of 1999 with Jessica's baby and oltl hit number 1 demos.

Everyone watches a train wreck. Then they move on to something else.