but you better beleive that had GH got cancelled, they'd be getting all the blame for that one.

Yep.

I don't think anyone expects quality miracles. Shows with even less of a budget, like the last year of GL, had better writing than this.

If the only way you can get hype is to spend 4 days a week laughing at a woman who killed a child, and repeating tacky paternity switch stories, then you shouldn't even be a writer.

And how much money does it cost to go on a soap board or Wikipedia and learn that Anna had already lost a child? Or that Maxie is not Mac's niece? Or that Luke and Anna met in 2006?

I agree and GL's budget was so bad they filmed some scenes in the back lot.

GH a year ago:

Brenda, Robin, Jax, Lucky, Brooklyn... all gone. There is only so much bleeding one can take before the body stops.

There is no reason why Carlivati had to recycle OLTL stories, and incredibly bad ones at that. There is no reason why Carlivati had to kill a child for comic relief. GH is rotten to the core, but those decisions have nothing to do with inheriting a bad show. For all the talk of how this had to be done to cause drama, the Paula Deen/Anthony Bourdain feud has far more drama and depth. The only time I hear anyone praising this story, beyond people who already love "Cartini", is when someone goes on about how they can't wait to laugh at Connie again.

Exactly. We already have someone going around who thinks she might have been raped but how can a girl be sure about a thing like that, so he can't use a faux rape for humor again.

With all of the soaps that have gone to the happy hunting grounds, it's hard to believe there aren't some good soap writers out there who could do much better than this. Switching this loser team to GH to keep from paying them off appears to have been the most expensive option in the long run. Not only does Cartini suck, they're creating a team that puts a layer of suck around them, probably for job security. Say what you will about Guza, he built a good writing team at GH. His loser successors, not so much.

If all Cartini has got is their pets from their previous job and characters from 30 years ago, and no plan for making any of them fit, they're on shaky ground.

Cartini did not ruin GH and I don't and won't blame them for that. However, it has become quite clear that they don't have what it takes to redeem GH and that's what I'm far more concerned about.

GH is a cesspool of a show so I imagine being the show runner for it would be a thankless role. All you really have to do is look at the cast and see how useless most of the characters are in terms of role and importance. This show has nothing to honor since all of it's meat has been carved out under Guza. There is nothing there to write. It's little wonder why Cartini had to borrow characters from OLTL to balance the show in some way because there is so much that has been lost under the Guza years. It was either bring on crossover characters with established history or flood the canvas with new character from the beginning - either one would have been just as unagreeable to the GH audience. That being said I don't understand what everyone is complaining about, it's not as if everyone was loving Maggie Memphis, Cooky Connie, the Mobbets, Liz's Boyfriend #53, Shawn from Days of Our Lives and Bensonhurts Ho #95. These are the people Cartini is expected to weave story for, I can't blame him for bringing his toys from OLTL over. Why? Because all of those characters I just listed are useless caricatures that amount to nothing. Thank Wolfe and Guza for that, Cartini just inherited a sucky show.

Because nothing else more needs to be said.

I don't think Cartini sucks. I do think they're better than Guza and Phelps - but not by much. My biggest problem with them is that they seem to care more about OLTL characters than iconic GH characters. Frankly, I'm pissed how they wrote Robert and Holly. If someone took over OLTL put Viki and Clint 6 on the air for a mere 6 episodes and wrote them out of character and then announced a bunch of GH characters were coming to Llanview, you'd be resentful as well.

Putting my enjoyment of Cartini aside, I can't say that I agree with the notion that they care about the OLTL characters more than the GH characters. From what I've seen since Cartini have taken over, this show has become more balanced in showcasing a diversity of the on-canvas GH characters than Guza ever had. Could those scenes be longer? Sure, but I'd rather take an episode of seeing Todd, Anna, Johnny, Starr, Liz, McBain, Sam, Alexis, Maxie, Patrick, Matt, Michael, and etc. over an episode that solely consists of the Trifecta of Shittiness.

As for being resentful of GHers coming to Llanview, well, it'd honestly depend on the characters. If the characters chosen were the ones that I tolerated, then I'd have no problem accepting them into the fold. If the characters chosen were those that suck, well, I'd hate them with the fire of a thousand suns.

Edited April 15, 201213 yr by VirginiaHamilton

I don't see a big difference in balance - most of the stories are still about Jason/Sonny/Carly. I keep forgetting Patrick is still on the show.

But I think that's down to the two of them mostly just going with what seemed obvious about the show (that Sonny and family are the "stars"), instead of the depth.

What diversity have they shown it's the same airhogs and they've showcased there OLTL counterparts!

Well, it looks like this is where I and the Cartini Sucks brigade part in how we see things, as the latter actually expects something from this show.

I do not and have not since Guza/JFP/Frons made it crystal clear that they would do any and everything in their power to kill this show and could care less (some might say that they took great pleasure in doing so) about viewers like me who tuned in for a great soap. The minute that they destroyed the GH that I knew and loved was the minute that I stopped caring about its legacy or whatever the hell reason some folks are fruitlessly holding on to GH.

I'd left this show last year (for reasons I've stated before on this board) and only returned to watch it (and by watch, I mean catching OLTLer clips on YT until Todd makes his triumphant return next month) to see some of my favorite OLTL characters whose stories were cut short. While I'd certainly choose the resurrection of OLTL over this crap, I will take what crumbs I can get until the OLTL characters leave or GH is finally put out to pasture.

Edited April 15, 201213 yr by VirginiaHamilton

I don't expect anything out of GH, honestly, but when I continually hear about how brilliant "Cartini" are, how they have saved GH, how they could save daytime, how OLTL was a ratings smash in its last year, how this or that cliche is suddenly brilliant because it's "so Carlivati", I expect more from the TV screen than an unflushed turd.

The show isn't that great but it's at least more watchable than under GW. Garin's GH literally depressed me BUT there were two things I enjoyed: Carly/Shawn and Molly/TJ.

I assume Molly and TJ are still grounded?

The so-called "unflushed turd" is a helluva lot more entertaining than what Guza shat out.

That's a fact.

The so-called "unflushed turd" is a helluva lot more entertaining than what Guza shat out.

That's a fact.

It's an opinion. Even you've said that you are only watching for the OLTL characters, and you think the rest of the show is terrible.

I think GH has been awful since somewhere around 1999. But I don't see any big change with "Cartini". They are continuing most of Guza's pet issues, aside from Luke. The only real difference is that now child killing is more of a joke.

The so-called "unflushed turd" is a helluva lot more entertaining than what Guza shat out.

That's a fact.

That's not a fact and the ratings show.