Members Max Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Eric, the fact of the matter is that you're not one who is suggesting that AMC and OLTL deserve "special" treatment that other soaps never got. However, I have been getting that vibe from others all along. (I not going to mention any names, because that will only make this thread more divisive.) As you stated, it's probably best I drop this specific issue and focus on other things (regarding the online venture). I honestly never understood why ABC soap fans felt that their soaps were immune from cancellation just because they were network owned. (Network owned soaps were cancelled in the past, even on ABC.) I think that as you two suggested, fans just wanted to give themselves a false sense of security. While I may be the only one here to believe this, I don't believe that going from six soaps to four is a bad thing for the genre. By contrast, keeping soaps around that are on their last legs is what is really hurting the genre (and that's why GH and DOOL need to be cancelled ASAP as well). There's no reason why the number of soaps on the air has to be four (or fewer); instead of spending time trying to extend the life of dying shows, folks should spend that energy convincing executives to launch new ones. (I've already explained in a new thread why now would be an ideal time to launch a new daytime soap.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 If soaps were going because they're on their last legs, nothing would be left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 No kidding and I'm willing to be every soap will be dead before a revival of the genre occurs, if it ever does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 No one is suggesting anyone get special treatment. I think the vibe was different simply because P&G had slowly been disrespecting their soap line-up and wiping it out piece by piece for years, starting with AW. I remember that mess. The movement to save that show was loud, organized, apparently intelligent, and ultimately futile, because NBC and Susan Lee did not give a [!@#$%^&*]; they thought Reilly was the future. Then, first GL then ATWT were considered 'inevitable' by the time they got the axe, simply because of the drastic downturn in both quality and production values over the course of several interminable years. With ABC, I think the superficial veneers of quality of their soaps was either maintained or degraded so gradually by comparison to the P&G soaps, and their ouster so sudden and frankly short-sighted, that it came as a galvanizing shock to some people. I don't see anything to apologize for. The two ABC soaps may or may not be revived; PP has them licensed for the next ten years. P&G has not handed its soaps over. I personally would love to see AW, ATWT and GL all revived in some form at some point; they were all once proud television institutions, and I think GL in particular is a fertile property that can be reinvented. But that's not happening right now. For OLTL and AMC, it might. I'm happy about that. I see no reason why my love for those shows and hopes for their future are in any way incongruous with how I grieved for other cancelled soaps. Yes, I'm sure to diehard fans of other lost soaps this potential revival of one show and not another seems unfair. And it is unfair. But that's life. We all live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 I've gotten that vibe as well from other places, a "neener neener" type of thing from SOME AMC & OLTL fans cause of PP picking up the two shows while there was no interest in GL & ATWT living on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soapsuds Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Would have AMC and OLTL been cancelled if ATWT and GL were still on?? As much as I love ATWT ...I dont know if I would want it back on the air with the same hacks in charge. It wasn't much fun to watch. ATWT died with Douglas Marland. I'll be happy with continued ATWT DVD releases I can purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 I've seen the opposite - some type of pleasure that this fell through when the P&G soaps never had a chance. As someone who will always have more of an emotional connection to P&G soaps than to just about anything else on TV, it makes me sad, because the soap genre is something that should be mourned instead of being about one-upmanship. I think the last year showed the potential, if they focused on Lucinda, Bob, Kim, etc. and some characters like Luke (although I know Luke became very divisive). But I agree never with Goutman or Passanante...I would say bring back Richard Culliton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 I've never seen anyone mocking the P&G soaps being denied a resurrection vis a vis AMC and OLTL, and I would decry it if I had. I have seen what Carl has, but I generally think it has less to do with the CBS soaps so much as just a bunch of bitter ex-ABC fangirls who feel vindicated after the loss of Couple X or Character Y from either show. "If I can't have this, I want them gone." Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Max Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Though there was some short-term heartbreak, I'm now glad ATWT was put out to pasture because its best days were well in the past. (This was also true for every other long-running soap that was cancelled before it.) I honestly believe that what's in the best interest for the Nixon soaps is for their fans to rally for classic reruns to air on television or be released on DVD (as opposed to pushing for new episodes produced with a shoe-string budget). Vee, even though I disagree with much of what you have written, I must say that this is an extremely eloquent and thoughtful post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 I agree with this, especially in the case of GL. Now I feel that way about GH, which I have watched since my teens. I'm not sure there is anything left of GH to save. IMO, both AMC and OLTL have more life than GH, but then, I wasn't watching OLTL and AMC in their prime, so that may make a difference in how I see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoseVioletDaisy Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Nothing officially but before the deal was announced, series creator Mitch Hurwitz indicated that they were in talks with Netflix, Hulu, and Showtime to produce 9 or 10 new episodes. No, AD is a SAG production and SAG has a comprehensive new media agreement with specific rules and clear residual provisions for online projects that earn money. The soaps are covered by AFTRA, which only has contracts with some new media providers but not others. It's a piecemeal approach that makes things more complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Pardon me and my poor Nola Reardon imitation, but...[former NBC Daytime VP] Susan Lee...oh, I hate that name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Ahhh thank you. The union stuff completely confuses me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alexisfan07 Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 Ilene Kristen, Tonja Walker, Cat Hickland, and others are on Silas' blog thing. Apparently IK makes it seem like PP OLTL is essentially dead but I haven't listened yet. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/silas-kain/2011/11/22/silas-kains-soap-celebration-birthday-bash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JaneAusten Posted November 22, 2011 Members Share Posted November 22, 2011 But was she even signed on to Prospect Park? This Silas guy has sources but he seems very reactionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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