Jump to content

B&B: Old/Classic Discussion & Articles


Recommended Posts

  • Members

That scene was so ridiculous.  I wish Thorne had walked in before he did.  And no one is so drunk that they can't OPEN THEIR DAMN EYES and see the person they're making love to is not the person they're supposed to be making love to.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 7.4k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • Members

I recall that particular scene was the set up for a great 1988 story when Thorne (drunk on alcohol/sleeping pills) shoots Ridge with Stephanie witnessing it.. and Stephanie covering it up especially when Thorne forgets that he pulled the trigger.. while Stephanie takes the rap and ends up in prison.  I don't recall if this story was before or after Eric/Beth broke up and before Steve Logan came back into the picture or not.

 

1988 was a good year for the soap.. it was fairly balanced.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I've had a chill out day  today and decided to binge through a load of the 1992 episodes posted up thread.

 

When I watched in the UK, episodes started from 1994 and although I've  gone back and worn out YouTube since then, I've never watched so many consecutive full episodes from before the time. I've watched a fair bit of 1987 but it's all a bit dry and lifeless as Bill Bell got a grip on what worked.

 

Having got to mid-December 92, it's such addictively trashy soap. Even though by my reckoning there are 5 or 6 fewer contract characters than there are in 2019, the show feels so much more expansive and varied. It also (in spite of being 100% pulpy entertainment) feels so much more like it exists in the real world.

 

I've always (well...bar 2018...) loved Sheila but she is such a shot of energy and the different dynamics with the other characters are fascinating to see play out. The Eric/Brooke/Sheila awkwardness feels way more modern than anything you'd see on soaps today. All trying to be adult but stepping on egg shells.

 

It made me reflect on the state of the  show today. Instead of lurching from one story to another and letting the show basically eat itself alive, I wish someone could take over with a long term view. Work out the ideal shape and size of the  canvas, types of stories etc and then get there. Ridge/Brooke/Taylor should be filling the roles that Eric/Stephanie/Jack/Sally fulfilled in 92, not repeating the same stuff they were doing themselves.

 

On the other side, Karen  just does not work as a character at all. Joanna Johnson is perfectly appealing but I've got no concept of what Karen's personality is supposed to be. There's also a gross scene with her insinuating to an icked out Bill that she's going to "do things" with Thorne in spite of being a virgin. This is in the same set of episodes where Eric talks earnestly with Ridge about whether he does or doesn't want to have a new sexual relationship. Guess some things were always consistent.

 

Zack and Felicia are zzz too but that story seemed to be finished up quickly. No one story dominates for weeks on end.

 

I sincerely hope for 1993 in the future because  from what I've seen, it's even better.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I do miss the show having a variety of stories, and while it wasn't perfect by any means, it was delightfully fun to watch! Everyone was at least still pretty consistent on how their characters were suppose to act, but yes the obsession with everyone else's love lives on B&B I think is something that will never go away..haha

I actually really liked Felicia/Zack, and I always say I'll never get why it was so hard for the show to incorporate more stories for the Forrester sisters....watching Stephanie not being obsessive with Ridge and Eric, and actually showing concern for her daughter is much more fascinating to watch, and it should have been an on-going thing. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I checked the IMDB recaps from 1988 and Ridge's party for Kristen with the 10 Most Eligible Bachelors happened the week after he slept with Caroline in June (still no video of the episode on youtube).

 

Not to indulge in too much fanfic, but, I wish the focus was on motivations for Ridge's voracious sexual appetite (cough, cough, his Oedipal complex) rather than pathologizing Carolyn's lack of sexual desires.  B&B always played off Ridge as 'just a playboy', but his need to sleep with every woman that his father and brother have ever slept with (except Stephanie) is odd.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I've been trying to catalogue the B&B that I have, and I noticed that the IMDB listing is messed up for 1987 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092325/episodes?year=1987

 

It jumps from episode 100 on 8/7/87, to episode 102 on 8/17/87, to episode 105 on 8/28/87.  I highly doubt those were preemptions, so that means I can't go by IMDB.  It's really annoying because some people upload B&B by date but others upload by episode # (probably because it's so popular internationally with various airdates).  Does anyone know of a reliable resource to obtain episode numbers?

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

The problem with 1987 is that - apparently - there were like a dozen (!) premptions in July/August. Yet, it seems impossible to find out when exactly the show was preempted. So it’s all a wild guess. 1988 is a lot safer as there it seems were a lot less  preemptions. Often airdates given on youtube are sketchy at best as there is conflicting information.

 

The easiest way to get episode numbers is the German recap (but don’t buy the supposed US airdates listed there...) site I posted a couple of pages earlier in this thread. But beginning with episodes from 1989 I think.

Edited by sheilaforever
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

i have used this episode archive http://www.history.soap-reichundschoen.de/index.html

But there are some recaps with wrong dates and some are missing, also there are recaps with same text different dates.

this has been a problem for me too.

I have been collecting episodes of B&B for ages.....

Still can not figure out some dates.

Actually i do not care for dates, but for real episode numbers.

Edited by Marquise
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

 

Iran-Contra Hearings were July 13-August 7, 1987 but I'm not sure how much the daytime lineup was affected. 1987 is also the first year I remember the US Open break in September.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Based on some research, ( not sure how correct this is) I have the 1987 Y&R/B&B preemptions as:

Jan 1-New Years

July 7-15, 23,24-Iran Contra hearings

Sept 7, 11- Tennis

Nov 26,27-Thanksgiving

Dec 25-Christmas 

 

Edited by YRfan23
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.



  • Recent Posts

    • Don't even put that idea out there!  
    • I liked the food poisoning angle on Thursday because I said beforehand that I would be annoyed if Vanessa was not there at her BFF's party. And I loved they already planned ahead in the dialogue. lol.   But watching the scene (and a bit of a rewind), it hit me. Wait is she...??? Ooo gurrrl. lol. 
    • I'm not at all surprised the 10 lowest-rated episodes are all from Season Seven. Moving The Golden Girls from 9 p.m. to 8 p.m. was foolish.
    • As the folklore goes, Love Boat episodes generally had one "heart" story, one "laughs" story, and one "tears" story. I guess Hotel just stuck with "heart" and "tears."
    • I thought food poisoning was an odd reason for Vanessa to miss the party.  That's why I appreciate reading everyone's comments and theories on this thread.  Oh!!  It hadn't occurred to me to speculate that she might be pregnant. I figured that she and Doug ate different things.  But pregnancy fits better.  I did think Shanice's dialogue delivery was slightly awkward (unusual for her)... but that would make sense if Shanice knew Vanessa had a pregnancy test but Vanessa said don't tell Doug.  I love all this theorizing/speculating, especially since we have no idea what will happen.
    • I want that as well, but given how much I've been playing catch-up during some personal/family drama, it's been background music with very little to hold my interest. Then I saw a spoiler and rolled my eyes.   Very. I guess JG is hitting another of his low points. 
    • Well...unexpected wiggle room is still wiggle room.   I went back and finally rewatched Friday's episode (along with Thursday's). And God, how those episodes flowed. It did help that Zimmerman did the breakdowns for both so the plot threads were cohesive. I do wonder if she did it today as well. Martin and Tate also of course did good scripts. And I might have to take back my earlier comment about the crowd. While it was not like Nicole's Award Event where I felt there were more extras (and was in the minority on that), I felt this one did not have enough (also in the minority). But on a rewatch, I did like that Production actually did a fairly decent job of covering it up so kudos.    I also wanted to take the moment to say the majority of the week before last (and this past week) were full of cliffhangers. Perhaps not what is used to, but they were there. And I loved that since the majority of said cliffhangers were connected to Silk Press Sheila, it gave an intensity and build to the last week leading to this superb episode that gave us not only an old school soap reveal (complete with moments to let the scenes breathe, but annoyed in how other scenes which were also good did not compare...another sign of knowing when a reveal is great) but, THREE cliffhangers!!! Well-done, Cliffhanger Friday!!!   Ms. Mann and Ms. Michelle were clearly the stars. I've said it once someone mentioned it and I'll say it again...Ambyr just gives so much SMG's version of Kendall on AMC in Eva, and I love that. And that reveal on Silk Press Sheila...WOW. Great to have confirmation that BILL was the lawyer. Even better to see Silk Press interacting with all of the Duprees and not being a bit scared. And yes, I caught that she was preggers at the same time as Nicole. I also caught in the Martin vs Ted scene when he was talking about the timeline was another clue...since we discussed the timeline during Kat's birthday party episodes and how odd it was that Silk Press Sheila would celebrate Eva's birthday if the weeks were off. UNLESS...they're not. I just feel they would not be mentioning it unless SilkPress has a 90s DAYS Sami Trump card incoming. And 90s DAYS Sami Brady ALWAYS had a trump card. So...looking forward to today. lol.    I'm also going to be in the minority about the next thought. I thought Maurice did a good job as Ted in the reveal scenes. Though I do agree that compared to everyone else...even his FOINE doctor friend...he was the weak leak. DD was giving and she was in the background reacting. The Avengers...I mean...the Duprees closing ranks...was great and also showed how in sync the actors were. Naomi being sure Chels was not filming THIS time was a hoot. And I lived for Kat's shade among the mess. I'm happy that we are here at this reveal with OriginalTed since the rumor (marking preemptions) we are a little under two weeks to go before he's out.   I liked the layers. One thing that I like about this show. We usually mention something here and then the show writers have it mentioned either in episode or immediately in the next. The SilkPress/Eva picture last week. Where is Naomi/Vanessa this week of episodes. And they got to it. Well-played. I also like the reveal that Martin knew SilkPress as a kid, calling back to that weird scene with the brownie. I mentioned the Bill-as-Lawyer scene, calling back to Bill/Vernon's first alone scene. The reveal of all of SilkPress's many names. The fact that Andre and Dani continue to grow closer and closer and had a near-miss...something this show knows how to do extremely well for me. Their near-misses built up the drama and story, and I see how much I'm invested when we have them. The whole Silk Press Sheila story being the best example.    I see from a few of the comments some of you all are already thinking about those consequences toward Bill that I was thinking about on Friday.

      Please register in order to view this content

           And while I did not like the Vanessa/Doug scenes at first view...though I love they followed up on her food poisoning phone call on Thursday...I liked it on second watch. Partly because it gave another hint that Doug has some idea of what Vanessa is doing...if not who.  Partly because I had assumed that Doug got poisoned, too. Seeing it was just Vanessa confused me since I thought they were out at dinner pre-party. That said...I go back to my original thought in that moment. Has Vanessa being having all this sex without protection and we are going to get a WTD with Doug, Diego, and whoever else she has been with? Uh oh?    And I continue to also love how flashbacks are used. Rare do they show a flashback to a prior episode unless it's important so those are well done. And then you have the flashbacks like the one with Bill/Dani that informs the audience. And I loved that green dress. But tbf, I loved the feistiness of her red dress. Andre was not alone in taking her in.    And someone mentioned it the other day and I wanted to echo it. One thing I like about this show that I don't see much in the other soaps to this degree has been that several of the characters have their own personal style for sure, but the men's style really have stood out for me since its started. Ted being a clear example with his turtlenecks and general...for lack of better word at the moment manly...to him. I like that about the men where other men styles on other soaps just blend together.    Looking forward to Kat v Eva, Anita vs Silk Press Sheila, and Nicole vs Ted today.    Did I mention I was happy Clifton was back?  
    • I’ll take a pass on the lecture, because you've overestimated my concern with your feedback, but thanks for the enthusiasm. Your claims of not wanting to get into an argument over every post are unfortunately voided by your impulsive need to add into discussions that are none of your concern. Finally, you may wish to check the definition of coy, because you've used it incorrectly twice in reference to my writing.  I promise that I do not intend to be coy with you.  Or don't look it up, and just continue to be incorrect, as usual.  
    • I guess it's because the stories on "Hotel" tended to be very...melodramatic, lol?  I mean, it seems like every episode had long-lost lovers reuniting or people finding out someone they knew and/or loved was dying.  And then there was the time Anne Baxter was strung out on dope, lol. Brandon Stoddard must've envied what the other Brandon (Tartikoff) was doing at NBC.
    • Given some of the things that have been said I am going to quote the preface to an analysis I researched & posted about the desired demos when JFP was EP of AW. And, that is more than enough about that, from me.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy