We’re starting to get 1984 clips coming up as we speak. But watching the last of the 1983 ones, I’m surprised by how Paul & Lauren actually started - by Paul wanting to break up Lauren and Danny’s engagement so that Danny could go back to Patty (this was all before Traci’s pregnancy of course).

 

And now it makes sense why Patty hated Lauren so much during 1984. I wonder if that’s something the writers could bring back with Patty next time she comes on. Incidentally, I’m shocked by just how visceral Lauren’s hatred of Traci was back then. Everything Lauren did back then arose out of her dislike for Traci.

 

And you have most of these characters on screen even today - Lauren, Traci, Paul. Bring back Patty *and* Danny, and you would have dynamite for years. Michael Damian has stated on Twitter that he would love to come back to Y&R at some point, and this would be the perfect way to bring him back in.

14 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Re Vanessa and the veil.

At one point it was stated that if Vanessa went ahead with surgery, it would involve years of skin grafts to restore her face and Vanessa wouldn't agree to it.

Then later, I think KT was off for a few months and then Vanessa returned, still veiled.

At some point she removed the veil and her face was back to normal and she revealed she'd had the surgery with no talk of any skin grafts and years of restoration.

I wonder why Bill Bell decided to do this. Maybe the effect of Vanessa creeping around in the veil had lost its value . Perhaps Bill thought of giving Vanessa more story (a romance) and felt the veil would be a hindrance.

 

Storyline-wise, I believe there was maybe some mention that Vanessa Prentiss had over-exaggerated how serious the surgery would be, because her "scarred face" was always her main tool for keeping Little Lance tied to her apron strings.    Production-wise, Conboy and Bell probably wanted to get Miss Stevens out of that veil, because in the 1970s she was still a recognizable movie star from the 1940s and 1950s, and it was getting silly to just have her eyes peeping up over that veil, lol.   

I highly recommend people watch the last 1983 clip that’s been uploaded. Some scenes from January 1984 where Kay is starting to consider her facelift. There is some amazing dialogue that Kay has with Dina and with Liz about it. It really does start to put a lot of context on that whole storyline and the motivators for Kay going ahead with the surgery.

I watched the 1984 full episodes..and it does appear Patty/Danny were supposed to be end game...shame it never happened.

 

I know Paul read Danny and Traci the riot act in a Nov 1984 episode about Patty leaving town 

 Mr Mom's coverage of the Victor/Nikki/Kevin triangle.

 

 

 

It's funny how at the end even the kids want to know who the father of Nikki's baby (Victoria) is

 

"Kevin's a skunk!"

"Kevin gets all the girls!"

"Sure got Nikki!"

Edited August 14, 20205 yr by Dion

3 hours ago, Dion said:

 

It's funny how at the end even the kids want to know who the father of Nikki's baby (Victoria) is

 

"Kevin's a skunk!"

"Kevin gets all the girls!"

"Sure got Nikki!"

 

Isn’t that how we all get into soaps though? 😏😜

2 minutes ago, OzFrog said:

 

Isn’t that how we all get into soaps though? 😏😜

Pretty much lol

Can someone pm me the link to the vault? There was a fantastic Terry Lester episode where he was working with Dina against Jabot, and he was slimey with young Cricket and a bastard. So I’m really interested in watching the original Jack and Patty storyline. Bergman’s Jack is the only one I’ve watched and his Jack is always madly in love with everyone.

Terry Lester's Jack was madly in lust with everyone.

 

In that vault, there are some full episodes of 1982 that show the Jack and Patty story...including one where she was determined to get pregnant cause she had nothing else in her life.  The desperation was clearly evident even when her father tried talking sense to her.  Seeing these 1982 and 1983 scenes..I can buy Patty going crazy in the 2000s.  Both LS and AE play that in their versions of Patty...it's subtle and underlying.

 

I wish the Patty and Traci confrontation resulting in Traci losing the baby surfaces...so I can see how AE plays the scenes because she latched onto Danny quickly after the divorce from Jack.

I randomly ran across this clip on Twitter while I was searching for a Nikki clip. Does anyone know if this full episode is in the vault?

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Vizion said:

I randomly ran across this clip on Twitter while I was searching for a Nikki clip. Does anyone know if this full episode is in the vault?

 

 

 

I think that episode is out there, but the end is missing. Cuts off during this scene with Nikki and Jack. Might be April. Pretty sure it was posted in this forum if not in the vault

5 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Can someone pm me the link to the vault? There was a fantastic Terry Lester episode where he was working with Dina against Jabot, and he was slimey with young Cricket and a bastard. So I’m really interested in watching the original Jack and Patty storyline. Bergman’s Jack is the only one I’ve watched and his Jack is always madly in love with everyone.

https://bit.ly/2A3Bnhv

 

Hopefully this works, let me know

That episode comes from archive.org I believe it's March or April 1986.

36 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

That episode comes from archive.org I believe it's March or April 1986.

 

Thank you. 

 

What was happening at that time? Jack was really in love with Nikki? 

How do you find episodes on archive.org? Are there many episodes there?

6 hours ago, Vizion said:

 

Thank you. 

 

What was happening at that time? Jack was really in love with Nikki? 

 

From what I recall, Jack had just been fired from Jabot for his role in John and Jill’s ongoing divorce (the hookup he and Jill had a couple of years earlier). I think Jill was shot around this time if not a little later.

 

And also, Nikki and Jack had been having an on-off again affair due to Nikki’s insecurities with Victor and Ashley.

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by OzFrog