Kevin, Gloria, Bardwell, Jana, Chloe, Ronan, Deacon, Phyllis, Jack, Meggie, Victor, Skye, and Adam are all sociopaths (it's scary that there's actually that many on one show)

***runs and hides.....*****

***runs back***

And Y&R right now is an absolute mess, a clusterf*ck of sh!tasticness, is the worst show in daytime, and makes me pine for the character-driven, high stakes drama of Passions.

***goes back into hiding***

Edited October 7, 201015 yr by juniorz1

I could have done without Sarah Smythe (arguably Y&R's worst and most boring SL ever) and Patty-cakes going crazy. But I love the fact that Meggie is evil because it is developing slowly and she has a motive. She wants Victor and his wealth. She also has something to hide and she's trying to neutralize anybody who might expose her. Added creepiness, for me, is the fact that she has a similar hairstyle to the one she had in Blade Runner (which is an absolutely 1980s AMAZING movie -- rent it if you've never seen it before). It's like the proactive flipside to the blank robot she played.

MTS -- there are no words. I could watch her all day.

What an !@#$%^&*] Eric Braeden is, walking out in the middle of Marcy Rylan's monologue just because it casts Victor in a bad light. I don't believe for one second that was in the original script.

What an !@#$%^&*] Eric Braeden is, walking out in the middle of Marcy Rylan's monologue just because it casts Victor in a bad light. I don't believe for one second that was in the original script.

BINGO!!!! I was going to ask yesterday who wanted to lay odds that Braeden's walking out of the room wasn't in the script, but I forgot to. I think Rylan's comment, "Your'e gonna just walk away?".... I think that came more from the actress than the character if you ask me (This is one of those time I would LOVE to lay my hands on the script and look at it). And you know what also has made this show so much better in the last week? No Reigel. She's like a wet dishrag laying over the entire show when she's on. TPTB have GOT to know at this point how much she's reviled, I don't think I've seen ONE good comment about her on the message boards. Just cut your losses, and bring Vail back, if she'll come. She looked like she came from Paul and April after all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK_WhI033iw&feature=related

and I agree about Nikki... I could watch Melody all day long as well, she's just masterful in every scene she's in. And once again, I want to say how good Michael Fairman has been in this. Now we know that Katherine is going to keep him alive, because he told her that's what he wanted.. and creepy Meggie will be trying to off him for good. I smell another Molly Carter type storyline. And Saving ATWT is right... "Thrilling coldness"is the perfect description for Meggie.

Edited October 7, 201015 yr by alphanguy74

Well. I'm tempted to start watching again. It seemed the story choices made in the last year had damaged the show beyond repair,but maybe there is hope!

Mark H,if you're out there and still watching,please post your take.

LOL Paul....you're getting me into all kinds of trouble. I don't have anything bad to say about that sequence. I'm pasting below my "in the moment" tweets from the Sean Young reveal. They're filled with the high emotion of a bona fide surprise, but I was really delighted to see something that exciting again. And to see a perfect match between Sean's dark, brooding, portrayal and the backstory she now apparently harbors. So, just remember that I was posting this as I was watching.

Oooh, Meggie ran like the WIND away from Murphy. I'm very worried for Murphy now.

If they harm Murphy, it will be outrage in my corner (even though they DO need to trim cast)

Blood is running cold. Meggie & Murphy.

Blood running cold a second time. Mac says to JT "We're glad that you're here". Bad feeling.

That said, I'm not minding the multiple strands of intrigue on Y&R. I like being genuinely engaged in Y&R suspense. Nice.

If Meggie ties Murphy up in some cabin or something, i could buy that. I wonder if this will be a Sheila redux?

Sheila gave mom Molly a stroke. For months, Molly (who'd lost speech) tried desperately to warn Lauren about Sheila but couldn't.

I could totally buy Murphy in that Molly-style position.

Chest pains. Oh my goodness. Meggie stealing Murphy's nitro and SMILING about it??? die bitch Meggie die!

I'm chilled, upset, worried, angry about what Meggie is doing to Murphy. and that bitch smiled. Now I HAAAAAATE her! Well done, Y&R

For the first time in ages, in a single stroke with Murphy, Y&R has given me a villainess I want DEAD. I will be rapt every second from now.

Not believing that Murphy is having chest pains and that HORRIBLE AWFUL BITCH deprived him of meds. Nice homage to GH Tracy/Edward

Sean Young just earned her paycheck. Y&R may finally have their next Sheila.

I was not expecting those chest pains. Wow.

But I'm so thrilled to have a bitch to hate again! Soaps need that. And this one is ROTTEN!

With Sean Young playing this evil, if Y&R plays the publicity card correctly, this could generate SERIOUS buzz. Must be promoted!

I am ridiculously excited to finally have an evil, evil bitch. The kind who can be staked through the heart & no one'd mind.

B!tches like that get a show's juices flowing, and I do believe Ms. Young could play it to creepy over-the-top perfection.

If a show is gonna script a "big bad" THAT evil, it is brilliant to have her go after our Nikki, Murphy. If she hurts JT, I'm personally blurring fact/fiction and going to Genoa City to off the b!tch myself!

Kevin, Gloria, Bardwell, Jana, Chloe, Ronan, Deacon, Phyllis, Jack, Meggie, Victor, Skye, and Adam are all sociopaths (it's scary that there's actually that many on one show)

***runs and hides.....*****

***runs back***

And Y&R right now is an absolute mess, a clusterf*ck of sh!tasticness, is the worst show in daytime, and makes me pine for the character-driven, high stakes drama of Passions.

***goes back into hiding***

PHyllis isn't a sociopath, selfish? yes, bullying? yes. cunnivinng? yes. dangerous? can be, but not socio pathic IMO. Yes she set fire to Sasha's room and ran down Paul, these things are nver explore so I can't conclude that it is sociopathic motives or behaviour. I don't know if Chloe is suppose to be a sioptah either. The rest I guess I see the argument

I'm glad you're posting again, Mark. I have little good to say about Y&R but I enjoyed your comments even if I sometimes seemed to too strongly disagree with them.

I'm glad you're posting again, Mark. I have little good to say about Y&R but I enjoyed your comments even if I sometimes seemed to too strongly disagree with them.

Yes I just realized he was posting gain and I agree, at least MARK lol shake things up in a sense and his argument is given much thought. It's always at least interesting to read his perspective

PHyllis isn't a sociopath, selfish? yes, bullying? yes. cunnivinng? yes. dangerous? can be, but not socio pathic IMO.

Giggly Heffa & Chloe are TOTAL sociopaths.

# Glibness and Superficial Charm

# Manipulative and Conning

They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

# Grandiose Sense of Self

Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

# Pathological Lying

Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

# Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt

A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

# Shallow Emotions

When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

# Incapacity for Love

# Need for Stimulation

Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

# Callousness/Lack of Empathy

Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

# Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature

Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

# Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency

Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

# Irresponsibility/Unreliability

Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

# Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity

Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

# Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle

Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

# Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility

Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them

2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them

3. Authoritarian

4. Secretive

5. Paranoid

6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired

7. Conventional appearance

8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)

9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life

10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)

11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim

12. Incapable of real human attachment to another

13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt

14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose

15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

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Edited October 7, 201015 yr by lovely_m

And Y&R right now is an absolute mess, a clusterf*ck of sh!tasticness, is the worst show in daytime, and makes me pine for the character-driven, high stakes drama of Passions.

Definitely. It's atrocious.

Even if they get that one storyline right for a moment, everyone needs to keep in mind that the story accidentally fell in the lap of the writers, and that it won't last long.

Ugh.

There is no hope for this show. That people can still justify and explain and defend....

Giggly Heffa & Chloe are TOTAL sociopaths.

On second thought maybe Phyllis, but Chloe? that extreme? She's no good but a sociopath? has she even been explored to that extent

There is no hope for this show. That people can still justify and explain and defend....

I think many have just given up, I know I have. I thought life without ever watching the show again would be an adjustment, but it's not. The habit is broken and I can't honestly see myself watching this dreck again.

I have no interest in whatever Sean Young is passing off as acting these days. Most of the time I've seen her recently, she looks like a battered old Italian hooker that's just been beaten up by her pimp.

Nothing short of an announcement that Heather Tom is returning as Victoria will get me to tune back in.

Edited October 7, 201015 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Heather Tom?

Blah.