Carmen Duncan (Iris, Another World) also subbed for Eileen Fulton in 2004 when she was sick.

42 minutes ago, watson71 said:

Carmen Duncan (Iris, Another World) also subbed for Eileen Fulton in 2004 when she was sick.

Oh yeah I forgot to look that one up. Apparently Eileen had a blood clot and Carmen replaced her Oct 20, 21 & 27 2004

4 hours ago, P.J. said:

I don't think Molly had any ambition--she was out for dick. But Carly had ambition, and I hated that a lot of her story for years boiled down to her trusting Craig, getting lied to and winding up with nothing. I can't name another character who had so many fortunes slip through her fingers.

 

I think Molly became ambitious once they tossed her in the realm of WOAK. One of my favorite stories from the Sheffer years was the Endicott Awards. But I can agree for the most part, Molly's reign in the beginning was her chasing after d-ck. 

 

3 hours ago, DRW50 said:

I was more bothered by the writing, for many reasons that probably aren't worth rehashing, from how they trashed her relationship with Lisa (and made Lisa look bad in the process, even though I doubt that was the intent), to the baby contract stuff, to Julia...on and on and on. 

I just got the feeling a lot of the people working on the show in that last decade didn't even like Carly, let alone try to understand her.

 

I hated that they destroyed Carly/Lisa's relationship too. I always felt that Lisa would've served as the perfect surrogate mother for Carly--the one person that would've been in Carly's ear, calling her out on her stupidness, yet having love for her as she understood her. Also, I wanted Lisa, Carly, and Barbara to open up a fashion house. The comedic potential and drama that would've provided would've been EPIC. It would've given the women so much, and finally would've allowed Carly to build female friendships--an area she lacked in. 

I don't even remember what lead to Lisa kicking Carly to the curb. (I think it had to do with John, of all people...) and it just kept on and on through Jack's amnesia, when Lisa was about the only person in Oakdale who didn't find it repulsive for Julia II to keep Jack from his wife and two small children. That tune quickly changed when Julia set her sights on Holden.

40 minutes ago, P.J. said:

I don't even remember what lead to Lisa kicking Carly to the curb. (I think it had to do with John, of all people...) and it just kept on and on through Jack's amnesia, when Lisa was about the only person in Oakdale who didn't find it repulsive for Julia II to keep Jack from his wife and two small children. That tune quickly changed when Julia set her sights on Holden.

If I right Strike 1 was Fashions business failure in Hong Kong, strike 2 was the bizarre Lisa/John/Carly triangle complete with drunk Lisa trying to stop the wedding, and strike 3 was when Carly had to go work for Lisa as the ladies restroom cleaning attendant (!) following Parker’s paternity reveal.

 

Worse is they pointlessly temp cast Carmen Duncan as Lisa to bash Carly in those scenes with Sarah Brown’s Julia. I don’t think Lisa and Carly ever interacted again after that for the rest of the show’s run.

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42 minutes ago, P.J. said:

I don't even remember what lead to Lisa kicking Carly to the curb. (I think it had to do with John, of all people...) and it just kept on and on through Jack's amnesia, when Lisa was about the only person in Oakdale who didn't find it repulsive for Julia II to keep Jack from his wife and two small children. That tune quickly changed when Julia set her sights on Holden.

 

That unnerved me too. Lisa's hatred of Carly was just stupid. It would've made the most since for Lisa to be a kindred spirit to Carly as they were so much alike. Again, Lisa should've been one of the people in Carly's corner trying to steer her right as she had done stupid stuff in the past. 

41 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

If I right Strike 1 was Fashions business failure in Hong Kong, strike 2 was the bizarre Lisa/John/Carly triangle complete with drunk Lisa trying to stop the wedding, and strike 3 was when Carly had to go work for Lisa as the ladies restroom cleaning attendant (!) following Parker’s paternity reveal.

 

Worse is they pointlessly temp cast Carmen Duncan as Lisa to bash Carly in those scenes with Sarah Brown’s Julia. I don’t think Lisa and Carly ever interacted again after that for the rest of the show’s run.

Carly lived with Lisa after she returned from Hong Kong and lost Lisa's money. I think Carly even paid her back once she got the $50 million. I'm sure it was mostly a plot point to keep Carly penniless and dependent on Craig for any success. But it was just so un-Lisa. Lisa put up with the stupidest slut of all time, Julie Wendell, but forgiving Carly was a bridge too far.

IIRC, it was Duncan's Lisa who told JuliaII about Carly's ONS with Mike. So Lisa was needed, but it was one of the nastiest things Lisa did in her last 20 years on the show. And no, they didn't interact much after that---Lisa was pretty much relegated to advising the teen scene thereafter.

36 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

 

That unnerved me too. Lisa's hatred of Carly was just stupid. It would've made the most since for Lisa to be a kindred spirit to Carly as they were so much alike. Again, Lisa should've been one of the people in Carly's corner trying to steer her right as she had done stupid stuff in the past. 

Maybe Lisa thought she was going to lose the "most married woman in Oakdale" crown or something. But yeah, Lisa was never nice (that I recall) to Carly again. Even John, who loathed Carly, was nice to her for a while after the Spa kidnapping.

@P.J., not Julie being the stupidest sl-t of all time! 😂 But it just never made sense to me why Lisa never forgave Carly. Meanwhile, she forgave Barbara, who stayed going off the spool during the Sheffer era. It just never made any sense. Hell, didn't Lisa forgive and take Marcy under her wing after she made an accusation against Bob? 

 

I just feel like characterizations of the vets were thrown out the window and their moods were situated to whatever the plot was at the end. And many of the vets didn't have a difference of opinions either. For the most part, Lisa, Kim, Nancy, Emma, Margo, Barbara, and Lucinda were kind of in lockstep toward the antiheroes/heroines during that time... unless they were Katie. 😒 

 

  

Thanks @victoria foxton . Sad to hear about Valerie's struggles. 

(it's a shame she had such a lousy role on ATWT - I don't even remember her exit...was it something involving a car incident?)

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@NothinButAttitude KATIE! I still f'in hate her. LOL, even Kim wasn't spared---she could take in Molly, Alison and Katie. UGH.

@DRW50 I'm not sure Delores even got an exit. I think Brad skipped town after outing Parker's paternity and she just disappeared, never to contact her son Jack again.

2 hours ago, P.J. said:

@NothinButAttitude KATIE! I still f'in hate her. LOL, even Kim wasn't spared---she could take in Molly, Alison and Katie. UGH.

I couldn't stand Katie either. The main being reason as aforementioned--Katie could do dumb sh*t, but get away with it with a scolding from Margo and all was forgiven. It used to make my stomach churn how Kim, Nancy, and Margo used to sing her praises. And she became totally unbearable when she became a widow. Plus, I will never get over how her a** lied on Chris and pinpointed him as her stalker. That's why I wasn't here for her and Chris (well Bill Lewis) ending up together. 

After @soapfan770 mentioned Carmen Duncan played Lisa, I went on a hunt... and whew. A decline from 2004 to 2010. Ouch.

Unpopular opinion, Hunt Block was smokin'.

On 1/8/2023 at 5:52 PM, ironlion said:

Melody Thomas Scott and Katherine Kelly Lang both jumped on the trend and looked good aswell. I think short hair works best for Maura. Specifically these cuts, (middle one from Y&R).

 

Her Diane Jenkins haircut worked until she CHOPPED it!

It legitimately looked like she let someone take shears and just Edward Scissorhands her hair.

On 1/8/2023 at 3:54 PM, P.J. said:

I think Maura can pull off any haircut. The baby bangs annoyed me, but short hair was a thing back in the late 90s. I think Maura's is the shortest I ever saw on anyone on a soap, but Lesli usually stuck to a short layered 'do. Specifically, that pic was from early '98, when Holden tricked Molly into thinking he was marrying her. And it's actually a tad longer than when she returned in Sept 97. 

Maura was ever-changing her look. I know she prefers shorter hair on herself, but I always loved the longer look on her. But everyone had those dang baby fringes in the late 1990s/early 2000s. It was all the rage!