Trcica's on recurring (according to the credits), so I'm sure a paycut may not matter much in her case.

The Chance character is a bland disaster, one a

stabbing

won't make anymore interesting. Why has this character been so poorly developed? I have to wonder if they just brought him back simply because Nina and Phillip were on the show and had nothing planned - kind of like how Mac was brought back with no purpose other than to prop Billy.

and God, I still hate the name "Chance." Ugh!

Edited November 5, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Does anything actually happen in this cancer story, besides Lily wearing a bald cap and making Shirley Temple faces?

BTW, I don't give a [!@#$%^&*] about Cane either. Really, who cares. They hired a washed-up genre actor from cheap syndicated sci-fi/fantasy TV. Wow. Do they want a medal? They always seem to when daytime hires people outside the bubble these days. Doesn't mean he's at all interesting.

Edited November 5, 200916 yr by Vee

But if "everyone" (everyone else actually) is doing something, she should too?

I don't think so.

That's a topic for another thread. I apologize for even saying anything, even though it was just said in jest.

I will police myself better as to what I say off the cuff in the future.

I honestly don't know why i come back to SON sometimes.

(Although I can't wait to read DeeeDeee's response to the final scene of today's show!!!! Should be priceless!!)

Does anything actually happen in this cancer story, besides Lily wearing a bald cap and making Shirley Temple faces?

Nope. Nothing.

You don't have to police yourself in anything. Sylph just mistakes the names of the threads for "Dick-Slapping Hour With Masochists". Apparently SON has a lot of those who like getting slapped around for no apparent reason.

One can't get a straight answer here... Sometimes...

Tricia Cast is the only one who can decide whether she want to take the cut or not. And such "silly" little side comments aren't really in place. Her finances are her thing, there are no jokes there.

You're not the moderator. Again.

Trcica's on recurring (according to the credits), so I'm sure a paycut may not matter much in her case.

The Chance character is a bland disaster, one a

stabbing

won't make anymore interesting. Why has this character been so poorly developed? I have to wonder if they just brought him back simply because Nina and Phillip were on the show and had nothing planned - kind of like how Mac was brought back with no purpose other than to prop Billy.

Has this regimes produced a developed character? A single one?

And all these newbies they're introducing have disaster written all over them.

and God, I still hate the name "Chance." Ugh!

Edited November 5, 200916 yr by Sylph

And they had to kill Lily's best friend, Colleen (whose death has been totally useless and with very little real aftermath, other than for Billy ) off just as she was battling cancer. So, really, the only person Lily has to confide in is Cane.

Cane, Cane, it's all about Cane.

CKLily's having a relapse yet the show ends with CANE?

What. The. Hell.

LMAO!!!!!! Tricia, don't ever leave us. If they make you take a pay cut, just do it. You're too awesome for words.

Amen.

Today had some good moments. JD seems to be feeling more comfortable in the role of Chance. He's starting to show something. I'm even seeing a little more chemistry between him and Chloe, even though I still prefer Chilly for now.

I liked the Kaye/Jill scenes. they have had a classic rivalry for so long, but I like that they are on good footing right now. I was glad to see that Jill still cares about Cane (not that I do). I'm hoping maybe Jill and Neil will bond at the hospital.

Paul and Nina's scenes were good too. I thought it was cute the way Paul was teasing her. Emily is growing on me.

I don't really understand why Lauren and others are angry about what Billy wrote about Victor. It was true, so why shouldn't he print it? I don't really think he or the Abbott's owe Victor anything right now. What he wrote about Victoria was probably a little more questionable, but as far as I can see it was also true. I'd like to see Billy turn Restless Style into a gossip rag/tabloid. That's the perfect job for him and Chloe both.

I don't really understand why Lauren and others are angry about what Billy wrote about Victor.

Lauren especially given her crime mob family.

Lauren especially given her crime mob family.

Yeah, it was a little puzzling considering that Michael is definitely screwing Victor over for Glo right now. I just don't see that Lauren should be especially loyal to the Newman's.

The biggest WTF for me today was Paul saying that it was a huge mistake to walk away from his daughter and let April raise her with her new husband. Ummm, you are letting someone else raise your son too Paul. How do you know that Isabella's parent's are the Cleaver's?

The main problem for me is that there's really no story here. We all enjoyed the first few weeks of it because there was a story driving it - Cane wanting to leave town. Lily wanting her husband to be there for her, but not being able to trust him. Mac stopping Cane at the train station. Neil coming to terms with Cane not leaving town. Lily's choice whether to stay at Neil's or at Cane's. There was a sense of beats being hit in the storyline. Whether or not a viewer liked the story is another topic altogether. But there were definitely touchstones along the path the show was hitting. Within a couple weeks, however, it devolved into scenes of just Cane and Lily sitting in their living room, random people visiting, no real storyline. Now she's just randomly in and out of the hospital with no real drive or purpose. The story became non-existent, and now it just feels like they throw some Cane and Lily scenes at us whenever they realize they haven't been featured in awhile.

Bite your tongue!

I watch the Lily/Cane storyline and wonder if there is any other story they can possibly tell about ANY other character to fill the timeslot. I'm not even nauseated by CK and DG attempts anymore the whole story is too romanticized for me to draw any appropriate interest and so this time I will blame just the writing and not the "actors"

Tomo's epi looks like it'll be interesting. Have been enjoying a bit more of the character moments between LONG UNSEEN favs (seemingly even moreso now- absence makes the heart grow fonder)

Neil is back and in the upcoming Chancellor story mix (it seems , Maria better make sure 1. The story is good and 2. Neil is deep into it). I'm loving the self destruction, in over his head downfall that is surely to come of Nick Newman and also that of Ashley

Edited November 5, 200916 yr by classicmoment

Yeah, it was a little puzzling considering that Michael is definitely screwing Victor over for Glo right now.

And screwing The Abbotts over for Glo for YEARS.

I just don't see that Lauren should be especially loyal to the Newman's.

Lauren is old friends with The Newmans but that relationship is meaningless now cause The Baldwin-Fishers are ever in need of propping.

Much like Katherine, Jill, Olivia, Ashley, Nina, Traci, Sharon & even Giggly Heffa were/are all absent from the cancer story.

Ummm, you are letting someone else raise your son too Paul.

Pretty much.

Has this regimes produced a developed character? A single one?

You mean Sabrina, Tyra, Ana, Ryder, and Daisy weren't thrilling additions? LOL!

God, not only do they suck at writing for established characters, but they can't even develop characters they create themselves. You know a writing regime needs to be fired and sucks when they fail repeatedly at both.

And all these newbies they're introducing have disaster written all over them.

Yep, especially, when they don't need to be adding more to their already overstuffed cast.

What surprised me was the way Lily is, as you say, beaming in her bald wig. I just saw my mother through lymphoma and chemo earlier this year and got to meet others who were going through similar cancer treatments. Once they lost their hair, my mother (for example) could not even look at herself in the mirror. She outright avoided it. It was only when her hair started growing back that she allowed herself a little lipstick and blush one day, some earrings another. She was rejuvenated afterwards but during? She and the others I met changed physically. They were exhausted and aged overnight and no wonder. Their insides were being systematically nuked.

This whole experience made me grow closer with my mom. There is no denying that love and support go a LONG way and can sometimes be miraculous. But this "love cures everything" ish on Y&R? It hits me in the face how unreal it all looks and sounds. There is escapism... and then there is saturated logic!

Yup, yup. So, you have hit on a number of story beats missing here: Extended family, change in the person as they go through the stages of acceptance and confronting mortality. It is not all smiles and giggles. There is enormous variability in vitality and energy and even appearance. NOT ONE BEAT OF THIS has played.

I think what it comes down to is that most people who have had experience with cancer are going to find Lily/Cane unwatchable. I think that's very understandable because it's being treated so lightly. This isn't the first time soaps have done a really, really bad job with it, so I wish they would just stop doing these stories unless they are planning to really invest the time to tell it right. Ironically, Brad did a much better job with Felicia's story on B&B.

We have had recent experience with cancer, but I would have hated this story even before. For me, a hallmark cancer story was "Nancy's Cancer" on Thirtysomething. Not only was every beat played, but through the cancer Nancy and her husband (Elliot) went from estrangement to renewed love and appreciation. (Similar, eh?). And NOT FOR A SECOND did it seem sappy--not even when Elliot proposed during the cancer saying "Will you do me the honor of letting me be your second husband?" (He was also her first, but he wanted to convey that HE had been changed by the cancer too). I followed Patricia Wettig to Brothers and Sisters because of that story.

Yes! I thought so, too. And it wasn't just the fact that Lesli Kay shaved all her hair off. Both Kay and Flannery really sold the illness to me.

I would also like to submit Monica's breast cancer on GH as another example of a finely-told serious-illness storyline. Charleson and Damon did not put a foot wrong and the writing felt authentic -- even though at the time I had no immediate experience of that kind of scary malady.

I was riveted to B&B during Felicia's cancer. It was a huge mistake to let her live, given how the character has been treated. Up to the "death", that story was a beautiful short-arc gem about saying goodbye, and engineering how you wanted the world to be after your passing.

The main problem for me is that there's really no story here. We all enjoyed the first few weeks of it because there was a story driving it - Cane wanting to leave town. Lily wanting her husband to be there for her, but not being able to trust him. Mac stopping Cane at the train station. Neil coming to terms with Cane not leaving town. Lily's choice whether to stay at Neil's or at Cane's. There was a sense of beats being hit in the storyline. Whether or not a viewer liked the story is another topic altogether. But there were definitely touchstones along the path the show was hitting. Within a couple weeks, however, it devolved into scenes of just Cane and Lily sitting in their living room, random people visiting, no real storyline. Now she's just randomly in and out of the hospital with no real drive or purpose. The story became non-existent, and now it just feels like they throw some Cane and Lily scenes at us whenever they realize they haven't been featured in awhile.

Very interesting analysis. I do agree that I was quite enthusiastic about the early weeks.

Doing a cancer story without THE AUNT & THE BEST FRIEND OF THE AUNT?

The absence of Ashley -- though I understand it -- is tragic. Survivors talking to survivors is an amazing process. But if we remember Ash had chemo and radiation, we'll remember (even BEYOND Robert) that Ashley could not/should not/would not have gotten pregnant again. (Chemo stimulates menopause, especially in breast cancer women of Ashley's age). And we couldn't be reminded of that, could we?

I guarantee the lack of Olivia is about money. Everything seems to be about that on Y&R these days. But Ashley could easily have been used, I agree. Not to mention Sharon, being Dru's best friend.

This frustrates me, and not because I'm not business savvy.

Each of us can list (with high consensus) 15 contract players we could drop who would make room for Olivia and/or Nina and/or Traci. We're talking about a 3:15 trade. Now, I realize TPTB don't want to bring back old "fat" women. But it is a huge, huge, huge error. Each of these women brings INSTANT "heart"...and that's what Y&R needs to survive.

Favorite line of the day:

Chloe: I just want to say I'm really glad that happened between Chance and Phillip.

Nina: Do I look like I want to talk to you about it?

LMAO!!!!!! Tricia, don't ever leave us. If they make you take a pay cut, just do it. You're too awesome for words.

Can't wait to see...

Does anything actually happen in this cancer story, besides Lily wearing a bald cap and making Shirley Temple faces?

BTW, I don't give a [!@#$%^&*] about Cane either. Really, who cares. They hired a washed-up genre actor from cheap syndicated sci-fi/fantasy TV. Wow. Do they want a medal? They always seem to when daytime hires people outside the bubble these days. Doesn't mean he's at all interesting.

Cane was good (IMO) in the start...and I thought he could have made a nice little "action hero" (in the JT/Paul mode). Now...I just want he and Lily to live happily ever after in the Outback. Soon.

Today had some good moments. JD seems to be feeling more comfortable in the role of Chance. He's starting to show something. I'm even seeing a little more chemistry between him and Chloe, even though I still prefer Chilly for now.

I liked the Kaye/Jill scenes. they have had a classic rivalry for so long, but I like that they are on good footing right now. I was glad to see that Jill still cares about Cane (not that I do). I'm hoping maybe Jill and Neil will bond at the hospital.

Paul and Nina's scenes were good too. I thought it was cute the way Paul was teasing her. Emily is growing on me.

I agree with every word here. Driscoll finally felt like he was inhabiting the emotional complexity of his character a bit. Paul and Nina are cute, but I don't want to see a romance there. Emily, though, is rapidly easing my ire about doppelgangers. Why?

Because Emily is SUCH a different (and interesting, strong) character. I forget that she looks like Patty, honestly.

The biggest WTF for me today was Paul saying that it was a huge mistake to walk away from his daughter and let April raise her with her new husband. Ummm, you are letting someone else raise your son too Paul. How do you know that Isabella's parent's are the Cleaver's?

Really? Paul said that. That infuriates me. It infuriates Mr. Davidson, too.