Ugh...I can't believe they killed off Betty White for Thanksgiving. Seriously...what's next, dead puppies?

Not for Thanksgiving. For Emmy

Ugh...I can't believe they killed off Betty White for Thanksgiving. Seriously...what's next, dead puppies?

LOL..remember it's November sweeps too. I hadnt watched B&B since early August and tuned in today cause I am off from work. I thought the show was pretty good. I know some were complaining about the character dying too fast but it didnt bother me since i havent watched. I felt Betty White was dying too...lol....touching show.

I was going to watch this but she was already dead before I could tune in.

I wonder if we will get any of those "artistic" swimming with mermaids or Joker makeup, or whatever that was, dream sequences like we got with Katie and Storm...

Well, I doubt Betty swims. It was hokey enough having her die on a bed at the beach.

Well, I doubt Betty swims. It was hokey enough having her die on a bed at the beach.

Hokey?? Patrick Mulcahey is going to put a pox on you!

I think Hammy might hurt any Emmy chances these scenes might have had. In the hospital she was so over the top it took me out of the emotion.

I agree about Alley Mills. She's been like this for a while...since she went "crazy". When she's in the room with JM J Bullock, it gets even worse for me.

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Holy effing crap. I cannot believe anyone is bashing Alley Mills of all people. Alley Mills. People do that? It's not against the law?

I think I need to go and lie down.

Holy effing crap. I cannot believe anyone is bashing Alley Mills of all people. Alley Mills. People do that? It's not against the law?

I think I need to go and lie down.

I thought it was really not good that in the aftermath of Ann's death, Stephanie got an episode with her family...but no Pam.

Steffy quickly started lusting after Bill again. Sigh.

One truly senses that this is basically the end of it. Emmy shows are in the can; Ann will likely never get mentioned again.

I admit---it was a little weird seeing Lesli as Felicia, when I've been watching her as ATWT's Molly for a week.

What two episodes will they submit? Friday and Monday or Monday and Tuesday? I think they may have to simply go with Monday's episode because Friday and Tuesday weren't nearly strong enough. Overall I think this is a bust. Ann didn't need to die and I feel like her return was a waste. I wish she could just come every now and then and torment her daughters. When Stephanie eventually comes out I'd like Ann to be there making fun of her.

As I sit here, drying some tears, I am reminded why I so love and so hate B&B. What a strong mix of emotions. No indifference. All love and hate, in equal mixtures.

This Ann Douglas interlude has irritated me to no end, because it was compressed into 2.5 episodes (max). From Betty White's appearance, her establishment at the beach (wearing red, smelling the salt air, dying of pancreatic cancer) to medical crisis to death was so rushed.

There is no denying that this deprived us of a lot of the emotional beats...but I guess some of them will happen later.

On the other hand, what they were able to pack into those 2.5 episodes was amazing--and it owes a great deal to Flannery, Mills, and White. White, in particular, was the revelation. We're so accustomed to seeing her as a comedic lead, but she clearly played regret, and sadness, and agony, and anger, and even a bit of humor during her brief stint.

So too, for a character who has so briefly been on the show, B&B had a nice mix of flashbacks to show why Stephanie might have multiple motivations for hastening the death of Ann...and why her forgiveness meant a great deal.

In these brief episodes, they hit most of the beats...the lack of a clear Living Will and DNR; leaving too many decisions open and uncommunicated to kin; sibling battles about what to do; the mix of old wounds and fresh hopes deciding what to do; the advantages and disadvantages of dying at home or in the hospital.

Moreover, there is no denying that B&B is -- and has been for a while -- the undisputed master of the LA-area location shoot.

Those beachfront scenes, as the Douglas-three faded in the setting sun, were as beautiful and touching as anything. Flannery's understated emotional repertoire again showed us why she is one of the premiere, non-schticky actresses of the genre.

And yet, as moved as I was, I couldn't help but wonder: What if this had played out over weeks or months? (Think about Felicia's "death"). Think how much richer this could have been.

At the same time, it is clear why it was as it was. 2 Episodes. Isn't that what the Emmys need? The cynicism of writing "Emmy shows" (and I realize they all do it, now...the game is rigged) is something I'm trying to forget.

I think it was a 4 episode arc, not 2, but I'm wondering since Betty is 83, if she would have been up to a thirty day arc of episodes. Daytime is grueling. I understand B&B shoots 2 episodes her day. It's a lot for a lady of Betty's age to deal with, so maybe the show was just being considerate of her. Or maybe she didn't want to commit to more than a short return. There are always other considerations besides the usual "the writers are dropping the ball on this, or wouldn't it be more powerful if it had been stretched out?" I think Ann's return was in keeping with the character, and the show handled her death with beauty and grace. I can't help but compare all the hype about GH and James Franco, and tuning in to witness yet another mob shootout, and more senseless killing. I like how B&B used its "guest star" to share a human story. One that is identifiable to many in its audience. It's what soaps do best, and B&B did this one really well.

Well, I doubt Betty swims. It was hokey enough having her die on a bed at the beach.

I think it was a beautiful setting, and a perfect ending for Ann's character. I don't see anything hokey about it.

I'm mostly caught up with this week, only Friday to go. Stephanie and Eric's scenes and of course Betty White's returns were the highlights. I actually liked Bill and Katie in the beginning, but for some reason their wedding and honeymoon bored me to death. I can't get over the feeling that this would've been the story of the year with Felicia in Katie's place. Resting all the drama on Donna and Eric's shoulders is boring. If Felicia married Bill it would involve all the Forrester's AND Logan's because you know how Felicia feels about them and they'd already taken over FC. Pretty much everyone except the Jackie M gang would be involved and it would've been fabulous. But that's B&B, always afraid to take a risk. I guess using Felicia in a story is too big a risk.

I hope Ann doesn't really die and can come back again. I love how horrified Pam was when she learned her mom was returning, lol. Also have been loving Stephanie, but I feel until they make her a lesbian she won't reach her full potential. I feel like Stephanie needs to be doing more and she can't go back to strangling Brooke and Donna every other week. I'd love for them to cast a great female actress to play off her in a romantic storyline. It would do wonders for the show.

I'm with Y&RWorldTurner that they need to stop making Sergei happen. My god. He is terrible. If you want a camp gay sidekick that's what you have Clarke for...

I guess I'm in the minority but Leslie Kay just doesn't do it for me as Felicia. I'm glad they didn't put her with Bill.

Pam just lost her mother (today?), and she is already onto this Catwalk bullsh!t??? Really? This is again what I hate about this show.

I also hate that Whip has been established as a seasoned PR professional...but his rival is this slip of a girl Steffy. What disrespect to Whip and his profession. And Texas Battle serves no function other than to stand in the sidelines and applaud??

I'd rather have death, suicide and heart transplants than this eyerolling stuff.

I'm also somehow uncomfortable with the internet dating stuff. My preference would be for it not to be a romance, but a cautionary tale about the kind of skeeves you can meet on the internet.

ETA: "Leisure suit" and "Medical Profession" cued it for me...is Taylor's date that geek from the lab who was after Bridget??

Why couldn't they have used Thorne, Rocco, or Jake for this internet date role?

ETA2: Brad Bell is trying to run Hunter Tylo off this show, isn't he??

Edited November 26, 200916 yr by MarkH

^^^so, like Taylor would get to introduce The Geek to the World of Love or something? Eeewwwww....

^^^so, like Taylor would get to introduce The Geek to the World of Love or something? Eeewwwww....

She took James Warwick's virginity as an act of charity, while they were dying in a snow-crashed room