2 hours ago, alwaysAMC said:

LOL - well Jim is just a dopey golden. Super harmless.

That reminds me that Vanessa and Bill never even had a scene together/acknowledged that he almost got shot up and died at the Santos mansion - boo!

But Beth knew **** wasn't going to screw her. At least that's what he kept saying.

It's always a bad sign when writing teams are bad at family interactions.

47 minutes ago, P.J. said:

But Beth knew **** wasn't going to screw her. At least that's what he kept saying.

It's always a bad sign when writing teams are bad at family interactions.

But that's what was weird to me - she was the aggressor, so to have sex with him didn't seem like it would make her recoil in fear with visions of Carl. But honestly, Beth has been so confusing to me since her arrival (for me). She comes across very pushy and competitive with men, to the point she's very catty with all the women (who all hate her), but then she's also deeply insecure at times. It doesn't come across to me as someone that I can root for... and I want to, given her history with the show, that I've read about... but I can't. I also don't love bratty Susan who hates her right now, so I don't really feel for either of them.