No hard feelings at all... I understand your feelings. Maybe some of the problem for some is that Tricia Cast is like this blinding supernova, casting shade on everyone around her. Dare I say it... she has been outshining Walton on more than one occasion.

Cool. Tricia Cast is so incredibly talented. I wonder what TPTB would have to do to make her stay long-term.

And when we get to the reveal of the Patty Jane SL (When everyone in CG finds out who she is) we DESPERATLY need Mary Williams to be there, if not be the lynchpin of that reveal. Where the hell is Carolyn Conwell, has she dropped off the face of the earth? In these scenes today with Patty Jane, it's obvious she's in desperate need of help, and unconditional love from SOMEONE.

I believe she retired due to health issues. On the subject of this MJ storyline, the writers need to let at least Phyllis, Nick, and Paul lash out at Victor for bringing MJ to town. Victor brought Paul's sister to GC when she was just living her life and she nearly killed Summer.

Walton has barely had anything to do in this story. Tricia's had a much bigger role.

I think Jill is on her way out. I'm just nervous that it's going to end up being in some other "shocking" storyline. I would rather see her leave with Phillip when TB departs. Or go stay with Liz.

Walton has barely had anything to do in this story. Tricia's had a much bigger role.

I think Jill is on her way out. I'm just nervous that it's going to end up being in some other "shocking" storyline. I would rather see her leave with Phillip when TB departs. Or go stay with Liz.

I honestly don't see them writing Jill out. They wanted JW they just wanted her at a cheaper price. Remember she is the mother of Billy and P3 and grandmother of P4. She is also the mother figure to Cane. Her family has really expanded under MAB.

I think she is playing a tough part in this story because she is trying to make excuses for P3 when his actions are inexcusable. Maybe that is why she seems to have little to do in this story, but she still is in the story. Obviously, my perspective is different since my favorites are being minimized and ignored, but I think Jess Walton will be around for awhile, even if she becomes more of a support for her family.

Plus I see a definite softening in Jill and Kay's relationship, so Jill doesn't have to be the b**** to prop Kay as some saint.

Edited July 17, 200916 yr by lmfan

TB...TB....the only time I found him "natural" was in Jimmy's Bar the other day. I get that he is supposed to be tight and repressed and defended in the presence of his family...I get that a part of him reverts to (or fights against) the shy and insecure boy he was back then. But so far, I'm not feeling much emotion from anyone in the story. Whoever mentioned upthread that no one has yet even hugged Phillip... and the pain for Jill/Kay of losing Cane today was palpable.

Which gets to my point. I am utterly perplexed at what the writers are doing with Phillip.

This was the shy, awkward, troubled teen. We saw how maternal neglect helped make him this way. We felt the incredible irony that he died in a drunken car crash, like his father before him.

So, to unearth this story, it implies that they are really going to honor what Phillip once was.

Instead, we have a character who is prickly, self-admittedly selfish...who says he'd do the whole thing again!!! He is not even now grateful for his family or the reunion, as these two passages showed.

The writing---not the acting (which is a separate issue)-- has quickly rendered this fella one of the most unsympathetic characters on daytime. More so, literally, than Adam or Mary Jane or anyone else on the canvas right now. Is this intentional, or a huge mistake the writers didn't anticipate??

Phillip: No, no, no, no. She's right. I was selfish.

Nina: (Sighs)

Phillip: I didn't have the faith in my family to say I was gay. I'm not going to apologize. You know, if--if I had to do it all over again, I may make the same choice.

Kay: Well, now that is--is a vicious slap in the face.

Nina: How could you say that?

Phillip: When I think about it, there's just, you know, I--what other option did I have back then?

Nina: You would abandon your son all over again, let him grow up without a father?

Jill: Honey, you don't really mean that.

Phillip: I do.

Kay: But all of the pain that you have caused the people who love you-- my God, who in the hell are you?

Phillip: That's what I'm talking about. Who am I? You guys don't know who I am. You don't know who I am!

and later,

Cane: You have a great family, Phillip. You really do, and I just want to see you appreciate them.

Phillip: Yeah, not always easy.

So many of these characters MAB and Company feature a lot have become so one-note, boring, and just blah.

I can hardly stomach Adam anymore. He's such a one-note cartoon, and it's a shame that they've written a core character into such a corner. I don't even sympathize with this fool anymore. He intentionally goes out of his way to screw over anyone, no matter how nice most of these people have been to him. This gas-lighting crap has worn out its welcome a long time ago. Sadly, I don't see much progression for this character here on out. It feels like they're forcing his "dark side" down our throats and his motivations seem so fumbled that I don't care.

Billy, another core character is all over the place. He's another cartoon that I can;t muster up any sympathy for. He's stuck in his own universe and they rarely touch upon his Abbott connections anymore,

I hate this regime's interpretation of the Jack/Victor dynamic. Whenever they decide to paly those two toegther, it feels so forced and hallow. Also, we know Victor brought Patty Jane back to go after Jack,yet they've hardly ever played the Jack/Victor beat in this story. Why are we supposed to care then if this is all Victor's set up?

I don't have to go into the disaster Colleen's become.

I can go on and on....

This show is filled with unsympathetic, un-rootable, and just one-note characters.

So much harm is bring done to these core characters and a lot of the current front-burner characters are being forced down our throats. I fear this damage will be long-lasting and some of these characters may never return from the path they're on right now. The fact that his regime doesn't understand balance and rotation is pretty sad and it's definitely hurting the show.

Edited July 17, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I have to say, as someone who has liked John Rubenstein for a long time (since the 1976 Family, with Sada Thompson, James Broderick, Meredith Baxter Birney, Kristy McNichol, Gary Frank, and Quinn Cummings), I was surprised to see him in this Dr. Taylor role.

And I have to say that he is really, really growing on me! Yes, I get that the character is allegedly despicable (Adam claims some evidence of molestation with Skye)--but Taylor has never addressed that...and I'm inclined to believe Adam would twist this for his purposes.

But Rubinstein brings an intelligence and morality behind the eyes...no matter what Taylor is being forced to do. And I loved how the character smartly tried to destablize Adam and get him out of Ashley's life today.

Rubinstein just "sparks" for me. I'd like to see more of him, despite the fact that he is starting so damaged.

I'm sure sex offender Dr. Taylor will be gone after this gaslighting crap of a story wraps up.

I like the actor, but how many disposable, nasty, and despicable characters can one show have?

I'm sure sex offender Dr. Taylor will be gone after this gaslighting crap of a story wraps up.

I like the actor, but how many disposable, nasty, and despicable characters can one show have?

Actually they can have loads of such characters. All they need to do is script a bona fide pornographic infestation!

Actually they can have loads of such characters. All they need to do is script a bona fide pornographic infestation!

Oooh, Sylph's kind of show!

And remember Mark, they need to "pare down the cast!"

Edited July 17, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

And remember Mark, they need to "pare down the cast!"

They really, really do. That's why I can't strongly defend keeping any character...even the one rumored to be .... well....you know.

As a general statement, Y&R has had too much death. It would be great if characters just left town...in a blaze of shame if the writers need drama...but NO MORE DEATH.

However I totally support cast cuts--even my faves like the Fisher-Baldwins.

I like Doctor Molester, too! The actor is fierce. If only he weren't a molester, then I could see him with Jill. Oh, well!

lol even being a mollester, I could see him with Jill she'd run off with anyone.

Keep it up folks with the support for the actor, perhaps Bloom will introduce the character's twin brother Dr. Feel Good.

I can imagine the chemistry between him and JW and I think it would be off the charts.

There's no excuse for why Bierdz is acting like a Down Syndrome sufferer.

BINGO! That's exactly what he acts like.