If P3 is alive, and she continues to love Cane, Jill's joy is about to be doubled!

True, but first she is going to have to live with the fact that he faked his death in part to get away from her. Think about that, he would rather fake his death

than come out to her (presumably)and I'm not getting the feeling he regrets his choice from those phone calls with Cane

. He had that little faith in her love and acceptance of him. That's enough to kill almost any mother.

Why is it the only storylines LML and now MAB & Co can come up with for Daniel/Amber/Kevin/Jana always involve them stealing or finding money and then getting arrested?

There has been talk about "moral center". I think a bit of that is needed...and the John Abbott death definitely killed the wise, moral talk-to. Except, in recent appearances, ghost John has finally been fulfilling that role for his entire brood...so I think that isn't essential.

What I like about Days these days is that they have a phalanx of senior veterans (close to Kay's age) playing central support/catalyst roles. There are good ones (Maggie, Caroline) and bad ones (Victor, Stephano). But you SEE them, and that's about all it takes to anchor/root this show in a feeling of family.

Y&R has the vets, but not enough playing this central support/catalyst roles. The Scoobies, as an example, were most tolerable in Kay's story. That's when folks started to like or tolerate Amber/Kevin. So, since it was working, why are the Scoobies out of Kay's story now?

Aren't us folks at SON a "fanbase", too? All fans are part of one fanbase or another.

I hate this term. What is a fan base? Because I like an actor or couple, am I "fanbase"? To me, fanbase is one of these goofy clubs that sends postcards and letters and lighter fluid and M&Ms and whatever the hell they send.

I wonder who is at fault for this? Obviously every for letting ti happen, but whom is coming up with this? Something tells me its Hogan, but then again i have a hatred of Hogan for almost killing Days so i tend to blame him for everything, lol. But really, wasnt he brought in to soap it up? Maybe hes taking it too far. But still, shame on all of them for letting it happen.

Its sad, but true. The only family who gets play as a family is the fisher/baldwins, and.. well they suck.

Honestly, Y&R needs to focus in on this dynamic family of women. Kay, Jill, Nina... bring Mac into this fold as well, and to an extent even Esther and Chloe. The relationships they have with eachother, the issues they have with eachother.

It is overkill now: A Newman psycho, a Williams psycho, and Chancellor back-from-the dead. With slutitude as the driving force for another major story. The great thing is that all the core families (except the Baldwins) are front and center. It's just that the "symphony" may have too much loud percussion going on all at once right now.

JP, I respect you a lot. Why do you think the Fisher-Baldwins suck??? I don't see it.

Your "dynamic family of women" scares me. A lot. I don't want to ever see the "Cramer women" on any other soap. That said...

I keep forgetting Chloe is Esther's daughter. I forgot again until you reminded me. I don't ever forget Mac is Kay's granddaughter but aside from the early years with AB, I've had a hard time ever seeing her as a relevant part of Kay's life. For a long time now Mac as a character just seems to...be there.

I'd enjoy seeing them put both young women into the Chancellor orbit. I wouldn't have minded seeing them become friends, making their conflict over Billy more upsetting for them.

It's true, I do think Mac and Chloe need to play with their families more. When they were confidantes before the wedding, it was good to see them together.

I think most of their plans for her dried up when Don Diamont was fired. All the drama of her relationship with Victor was settled before her arrival, and there's no one on the show in her age range that she isn't blood related to.

Abby just forgot her dad. Period. Played poorly, with an unmotivated anger toward Eden (yech), we have no sense that Brad's death meant anything. Y&R overdid it on the killing, and Brad's death is a classic example of a death with insufficient payoff.

It is overkill now: A Newman psycho, a Williams psycho, and Chancellor back-from-the dead. With slutitude as the driving force for another major story. The great thing is that all the core families (except the Baldwins) are front and center. It's just that the "symphony" may have too much loud percussion going on all at once right now.

Its all too much. This show cant balance tones. Its all one or the other. Thats my biggest issue.

JP, I respect you a lot. Why do you think the Fisher-Baldwins suck??? I don't see it.

Give me a few minutes, ill explain... (im working and its too much to type right now...)

Your "dynamic family of women" scares me. A lot. I don't want to ever see the "Cramer women" on any other soap. That said...

I dont know why a dynamic family of women on a soap scares you.

I dont want to see dramer women on Y&R. I want to see Kay, Jill, Nina, Esther, Chloe, Mac interact and lean on eachother and have issues with eachother.

You really don't see the tragedy that is Cane? It's horrible beyond words.....

I see the tragedy that is Lane, but I don't see Cane as being all that bad. I was fine with him before he hooked up with Lily, but I prefer him as an Ashby by blood, not Phillip III. I also won't miss him if he's written off.

Your "dynamic family of women" scares me. A lot. I don't want to ever see the "Cramer women" on any other soap. That said...

The thing with the Cramer women is there really are no "Cramer women". Sure, they talk about it a lot, but Dorian, as much as she tries, does not play well with others, and the family is full of snotty faux do-gooders who aren't fond of their relatives unless they need them (Cassie, Kelly, Adrianna). We almost never see Addie, and Starr is all about herself. The only one in the family who genuinely seems to want to believe in that support system is Blair.

The Chancellors could be a complex group of women who genuinely care about each other not because of girl power, but because of painfully forged bonds. Katherine, Jill, Esther, Nina, Mac, Chloe. The potential is there, if the show tries.

DAYS had so many vets, many of whom were shamefully used as extras for many years, but when the fat was trimmed, they were there to be touchstones for the audience, to be there for viewers who aren't sure about some of the newer characters. Y&R doesn't have that anymore. Most of the older characters who have stayed on the show, with the exception of Katherine, are still too young to fill this role, or are still in semi-leading stories. They had this with Gina, but she's gone now. Brock or Traci could also fill this role but they don't seem to ever come back.

That multi-tier aspect is what's missing on the show right now.

I see the tragedy that is Lane, but I don't see Cane as being all that bad. I was fine with him before he hooked up with Lily, but I prefer him as an Ashby by blood, not Phillip III. I also won't miss him if he's written off.

I don't think he's that bad either. He's not a great leading man, but he's less unlikeable than their other leading men in his age range, and I do like his relationship with Jill. He's the only one in her life who ever has respect for her.

I see the tragedy that is Lane, but I don't see Cane as being all that bad. I was fine with him before he hooked up with Lily, but I prefer him as an Ashby by blood, not Phillip III. I also won't miss him if he's written off.

Exactly!

JP, I respect you a lot. Why do you think the Fisher-Baldwins suck??? I don't see it.

Okay, here it is...

Now, this was once a family i loved and thought they added something refreshing to the show. When Kevin was on edge, and Michael & Lauren were fighting to make the relationship work for the long run, and Gloria was trying her hardest to make it to the top of the social latter. I esp loved the group scenes and Lauren trying hard to deal with Michael's family.

Then, after Gloria went from supporting to lead and got to the top, and kevin was no longer crazy at all, and lauren was reduced to minor, and all michael did was defend his family i started to grow a little sick of them.

but my hate has really been in the past year. they are all so pointless now. more than pointless, they add nothing, have nothing interesting complex or refreshing about them, and they have added on - jeff, jana - and im just over it.

a lot of it has to do with the fact that the canvas is just over stuffed. gloria and kevin wouldnt be first two id write off, but they are in the top 15. jana and jeff make the top 10, maybe even 5.

at this point to be done with them id even say im willing to risk Lauren. Me. Lose the character i love the most of any soap (sorry sami bady, lol, lauren fenmore will always be my number one!) just to get rid of this family.

if they left the show i feel the show wouldnt lose anything. and thats alays a sign that the time has come.

they have just ran the course. their time has come. and they must go.

The thing with the Cramer women is there really are no "Cramer women". Sure, they talk about it a lot, but Dorian, as much as she tries, does not play well with others, and the family is full of snotty faux do-gooders who aren't fond of their relatives unless they need them (Cassie, Kelly, Adrianna). We almost never see Addie, and Starr is all about herself. The only one in the family who genuinely seems to want to believe in that support system is Blair.

The Chancellors could be a complex group of women who genuinely care about each other not because of girl power, but because of painfully forged bonds. Katherine, Jill, Esther, Nina, Mac, Chloe. The potential is there, if the show tries.

DAYS had so many vets, many of whom were shamefully used as extras for many years, but when the fat was trimmed, they were there to be touchstones for the audience, to be there for viewers who aren't sure about some of the newer characters. Y&R doesn't have that anymore. Most of the older characters who have stayed on the show, with the exception of Katherine, are still too young to fill this role, or are still in semi-leading stories. They had this with Gina, but she's gone now. Brock or Traci could also fill this role but they don't seem to ever come back.

That multi-tier aspect is what's missing on the show right now.

Yes!

It's stupid, Sharon tells Jack

he's the father when she sees Nick and Phyllis worrying over Summer when she knows Nick is the real father?

This is crappy plot driven writing that is making Y&R as bad as an ABC soap.

What the hell is there to enjoy in this overdone and vile quad?

And here goes Sharon hurting more people and screwing up lives again unnecessarily. It's a testament to Sharon Case's abilities that I don't hate this character.

idk why, but this interview betty white did... she said this...

Well, we don't want to. How have you seen things change in Hollywood through the years?

When we started in television, there was that magic box in the corner of the room, and "Oh my gosh — look what it's doing!" But as the years went on, the audience has become very jaded. They've heard every joke, they've seen every story line, they know where you're going before you even start to get there. And that's a hard audience to keep interested, and that's why I think so much of the shows now try to throw language, or situations, or sex — anything to get the audience's attention. I think it's hard to go back and find that innocence. You can't. Once it's gone, it's gone. But also our morals have changed to the point where almost anything goes. The bar lowers every year, so I think it's the audience that's dictating where the shows go.

and it reminded me of soaps, esp Y&R in recent years.

Aren't us folks at SON a "fanbase", too? All fans are part of one fanbase or another. The problem with Lane is not the idea or Lane or the fans of Lane.

Not really! Some are fans of the show period, myself included, and not of just a particular actor, actress or couple but merely of the ensemble cast, most of them anyways. MAB seems to cater to the fanbases of Phick/Shick/Lame mostly because they are the loudest of all the fans. She has ruined the quad in the process with all of the partner swapping and while Lane may appeal to some, they are just awful. It's sad when the "romantic" pairing of a show is this pathetic.

I don't like how Chancellor-heavy the show has become. The Newmans and Abbotts should be the core families, with the Chancellors, Winterses and Baldwin-Fishers as supporting.

I like that the Chancellor's are finally back as the focus family. The Abbott's now only consist of the sappy Jack, mental case Ashley, "it's all about me" Billy and thankfully Ausileen can't stay on the canvas long enough to have a story. MAB hasn't rebuilt this family, she's allowed them to be separated with all of the bed hopping the brothers have been doing which is destroying their relationship.

I see the tragedy that is Lane, but I don't see Cane as being all that bad. I was fine with him before he hooked up with Lily, but I prefer him as an Ashby by blood, not Phillip III. I also won't miss him if he's written off.

I think we may have a winner here! He was definitely more tolerable before he was paired with Lily thus de-balled by her. Goddard is no romantic leading man, IMO!

I'm starting to think that MAB will be the last headwritter for the show and CBS/Sony will sit back with glee watching as the show crumbles. I'm sure that Babs would love nothing better than to be known as the executive that killed the Bell shows.

You've become the smilie Queen.

I see the tragedy that is Lane, but I don't see Cane as being all that bad. I was fine with him before he hooked up with Lily, but I prefer him as an Ashby by blood, not Phillip III. I also won't miss him if he's written off.

Yeah, uh, he just must die. The End.

And here goes Sharon hurting more people and screwing up lives again unnecessarily. It's a testament to Sharon Case's abilities that I don't hate this character.

Sharon's just as douchey as Nick, y'all.

I can enjoy any story if well written and well acted, but I do have preferences.

Anyone feel like the writers write Lily and Cane's relationship as some parody of love as seen by someone in their teens? They just feel so unreal especially at their wedding and honeymoon. Cane's behavior when he was jumping out of his skin and smiling that creepy smile at his wedding followed by the overly sacharine honeymoon made me feel like the writers are actually making fun of the Lane fans instead of catering to them.

Then when they get them all happy about their couple, they will drop the hammer and destroy it all with Cane's lies and Lily's problems conceiving. And the acting doesn't help. CK just doesn't emote. She gets told her pap smear is irregular and her reaction, is oh well and she is just sad she is not pregnant five minutes after she was married. And did Liv actually give her niece the pap smear? Ugh, I can't imagine a relative let alone an aunt doing that and all of a sudden Olivia is an OB/GYN.

Ding ding ding we have a winner. I got that feeling as well especially during that photoshoot. It felt like the writers were making fun of Lane's fairytale view of marriage.

I don't see the writers catering to Lane fans at all. MAB is slowly destroying that couple. Their entire relationship has been built on secrets, lies, and fantasies. Lily will more than likely be barren. Cane will be exposed as a fraud. This fairytale view of their relationship will be shot to hell in a handbasket.

Personally I don't see how Lane can overcome all that.

As for the acting, I do think CK has been overdoing it in her scenes with DG. But I think CK played that scene the way it was supposed to be played. Right now Lily is in fantasy island. The only thing she cares about is making a baby with Cane so that's where her focus is. Everything else is immaterial.

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by Dee41

This show is a blistering hot mess right now, and I'd like to believe ratings are threading down not because this time of year, but because of the overall lack of creativity and good storylines on this show.

This territory this show is in is as bad that the plot-driven illogical mess territory the ABC and P&G soaps are in.

Y&R deserves so much better, so do the fans...

Every family needs a moral compass and/or the glue that keeps them together. That's why Tracey should come back and do that for Abbotts, and that's a great role for Noah with the Newmans. The Chancellors are pretty good at sticking together and now they have Murphy which makes it even better. Neil keeps the Winters together and Michael does that for the Fisher Baldwins.

I honestly don't understand the hate for Lane when at least the couple has chemistry. It's not like they're the blackhole of suck that is Billy & Mac, which might be the worst couple on any soap.

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by cara mia