I wonder if tptb are thinking that they need to recast Victoria because I read that they want to hire Gina Tognoni for the role. Thou this is just a rumor.

Did anyone else want to hit Victoria when she went on about how she had to go undercover for principle or something like that?

I'm not an Amelie hater but to me she did sound tired, but that's just me.

I wish they would put JT back with the younger crowd.

I just don't like Amelia's Victoria. In fact when I saw the previews I thought to myself I really don't care if the character died, she's become so inconsequential.

I agree that JT needs to be back with the younger crowd, though I was slightly intrigued at the JT/MJ scene.

As a die-hard fan of The Edge of Night, I'd have to agree!!!! I actually didn't notice it at first until you pointed it out. Y&R is definitely not playing like the love/romance/everyday life type of soap that it's always been known for. Psycho villains (Adam, Mary Jane), criminal thugs, mystery (the art storyline AND Cane talking to someone with the face of a supposed dead man). EON was very much like this (although EON was still much darker).

Thanks for agreeing... Edge Of Night had some great elements... both Edge (back then) and Y&R right now know how to do darkness RIGHT, as opposed to General Hospital and Guza, who DON'T. Alvin mentioned that he wanted Y&R to be "Y&R", and NOT Edge Of Night. I can see his point, HOWEVER... I've always maintained that what makes Y&R an identifiable brand is in fact, NOT the content of the SL's, but the production values, directing style, bakcground music, caliber of acting, and pacing. That's why I think Vanguadrian, as an Edge Of Night fan, didn't notice the similarities until I mentioned it. That's another reason why I think it's easier to forgive writing snafu's on a show like Y&R, because if you have quality in every other aspect, it makes any writing shortcomings easier to take. It's like if you have a cake, and your child has dipped his fingers into the icing to taste it. It doens't look perfect anymore, but it still tastes good. But if the cake underneath is made of Ca-ca, no amount of re-icing can cover it up. I guess some people think the WRITING is the cake, but I disagree, I think the production is the cake.

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

I just don't like Amelia's Victoria. In fact when I saw the previews I thought to myself I really don't care if the character died, she's become so inconsequential.

I got flashbacks to Clear Springs when that styrafoam pebble hit Victoria in the head.

I agree that JT needs to be back with the younger crowd, though I was slightly intrigued at the JT/MJ scene.

JT can't handle MJ.

There is some speculation that a character may die and some think it could be him since he has become a non entity.

I may be in the minority but I wish they would get rid of "the fab four".

Mark, I agree. JM has a bad cocktail of loser going on right now.

Perfect line!

Wait until that kid is exposed as Jack's in a few years time.

I would have fought you to the death on this. But Nick has now been so sacrificed...what the hell. Bring it on.

WORD to all of this..I just finished watching Monday's eppy and all I can say is the new guy is going to have to work his ass off to impress me...CE was a much better performer than it appears he gave himself credit for

I ignored the Shick scenes..It was like watching Lane...

Because CE chose to leave, I am over him. Totally. I enjoy these last weeks, but can't wait to see what the new guy does.

LMAO at the Lane line .

Oh my eyes..my eyes..Joshua Morrow half naked on today's show...Ewwwww...Why wasn't I warned!@??

Honestly, I suspect I'd still find him very fine. I can separate the man from the sh!tty character.

Well, I'm glad Phyllis caught onto Nick and told him coming home was a mistake. I hope she can keep her self-respect in tact and tell that pig where to shove it.

I hope so too. It didn't seem that was how they'd go yesterday (when she ran to GCAC to fight for him, per Daniel's advice). But I'd like her to totally separate from him and shaft him.

It's just that certain time periods in a soap are darker than others. If we see nothing but darkness for the next YEAR, then I'd lend some credence to your statement. But just because we are in a dark "period" doesn't mean it's going to last forever. And some of the elements you cited I don't find ridiculous at all, MAB is simply trying to imitate Bill's style as best she can... consider these similarities with the past using the "ridiculous" elements you pointed out:

(TERRIFIC list deleted)

I don't why you seem to sh*t on everything this show does.

I love your list! Yes, thank you for reminding us about the REAL Bill Bell Sr., and not this sanctified version that people here like to right about.

Actually, since you mentioned it.... Lorie/Lance/Lucas/Leslie, Kay's sanitarium SL, and the Chris brooks kidnapping DID happen all the same year, along with the Jill/Stuart Trachemotomy thing... which, IMO was a MASTERSTROKE, an episode I still remember like it was YESTERDAY (Along with most viewers who watched then) although I was 11 years old when it aired.

Yes, yes, yes! I was hoping the negative posters would respond to that, but they just glossed it over. That year by the way (1979) was one of the ALL TIME BEST!

When the window broke I thought MJ threw a brick or something...but then they cut to the dead bird. LMAO!! That was awesome. MJ rules. MJ has another good scene at the end of tomorrow's US episode.

I disagree. I love the tone right now. I love the twisted darkness.

Agree on the twisted darkness.

Remember when Margaret Laurence cited that Scottish superstition? "A bird in the house means a death in the family".

If MTS leaves this show, I am going to scream. For me, it's not about needing, it's about wanting her on the show.

Amen!!

I wonder if tptb are thinking that they need to recast Victoria because I read that they want to hire Gina Tognoni for the role.

I think Alvin started that rumor . But Nelson Branco reports otherwise:

"Sources close to Gina Tognoni say that the Emmy winner is thisclose to signing a contract with One Life to return as Kelly Cramer Buchanan. "She turned down two offers from CBS soaps," says an insider. The buzz is the other two soaps were Y&R and B&B. Is this a bad move on Tognoni's part considering One Life may not be on the air in three years? "No, she wants to stay in New York with her new husband," continues the mole. Look for the actress on the ABC soap sometime later this fall if all goes according to plan."

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by MarkH

Yes, yes, yes! I was hoping the negative posters would respond to that, but they just glossed it over. That year by the way (1979) was one of the ALL TIME BEST!

Since I wasn't alive back in 1979, like you old folks, how could I address a year of the show I didn't see?

All I know is, the Y&R I've been watching from the late 80's/early 90's has never been totally consumed by illogical darkness all at once. Bill Bell's darker storytelling was a hell of a lot different than his daughter-in-law's.

This show is losing its storytelling identity, and I hate it. Y&R is not a crime and mystery soap.

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Since I wasn't alive back in 1979, like you old folks, how could I address a year of the show I didn't see?

All I know is, the Y&R I've been watching from the late 80's/early 90's has never been totally consumed by illogical darkness all at once. Bill Bell's darker storytelling was a hell of a lot different than his daughter-in-law's.

This show is losing its storytelling identity, and I hate it. Y&R is not a crime and mystery soap.

Newsflash for those catching on with smiley-posting: is the new . You're already outdated in your smiley-posting preferences.

I love how people only seem to be enjoying two storylines on this show (Mary Jane and Adam), and not really enjoying the rest, but the show is supposedly better than it's been in a decade.

What rubbish.

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I love how people only seem to be enjoying two storylines on this show (Mary Jane and Adam), and not really enjoying the rest, but the show is supposedly better than it's been in a decade.

What rubbish.

I better not say a thing... You know, my reputation has been ruined as a poster and I know nothing about soaps.

But, I so agree! LMAO!

Y&R is fab!

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by Sylph

I love how people only seem to be enjoying two storylines on this show (Mary Jane and Adam), and not really enjoying the rest, but the show is supposedly better than it's been in a decade.

What rubbish.

So true!

People are just desperate for this show to be good again. Desperate. Which really says a lot about the devotion its fans have to the show, and about the fans themselves!

It's so fun!

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by YRBB

I love how people only seem to be enjoying two storylines on this show (Mary Jane and Adam), and not really enjoying the rest, but the show is supposedly better than it's been in a decade.

What rubbish.

Don'tknow about hte decade but I do think it's better than LML's era and MAB's first 7 months.

I am enjoying the majority of the show:

- MJ

- Adam/Ashley

- Phyllis/Nick/Sharon/Jack

- Cane/Nina/Philip

- Mac/Billy/Chloe

I actually can't wait to watch the show everyday.

So true!

People are just desperate for this show to be good again. Desperate. Which really says a lot about the devotion its fans have to the show, and about the fans themselves!

It's so fun!

Be careful: someone is going to jump out of the bushes and say Why do you watch then? LMAO!

Since I wasn't alive back in 1979, like you old folks, how could I address a year of the show I didn't see?

I'll own that. I am old...and feeling it today!

But seriously, 1979 was this AMAZING year. As a 14 year old boy, it was total perfection. Suzanne Lynch gaslighting Kay (and drugging her)...Kay going to a sanitarium that burned down and being presumed dead...Kay gaslighting Suzanne (via "haunting") thereafter...Chris Brooks kidnapped by Rose Deville (white slavery ring owner) and almost killed...Liz Foster shot by a mafia hitman that was gunning for her son Greg...the endless Lucas-Lorie-Lance-Leslie quad. It couldn't have been much after that (1980?) that Vanessa Prentiss faked her murder by committing suicide (she had a terminal illness) but first framing hated daughter-in-law Lorie for her swan dive off a balcony. And within a year, Victor Newman came along and put his pregnant wife's lover in a DUNGEON. His pregnant wife, Julia, lost HER baby falling down the same staircase as Ashley!!

MAB is chanelling the Y&R of 30 years ago. It was a time I loved very much. Remember, within two years later, Patty Williams was going crazy, shooting Jack, having amnesia about it...

I actually thought Bill Bell's later years were NOT his strongest. I remembered one of his last major stories being Nikki insta-marrying her GYNECOLOGIST...who promptly had a psycho-stalker wife (there's that darkness again!). But it gave Kay Alden the chance to start with the amazing Victor-Nikki reunion and Diane Jenkins divorce.

Bill Bell--I am convinced--would have been VERY pleased with much of what is going on right now. Plot driven, gothic, kinky, but those are my favorite memories of some of Bill Bell's best days. Y&R was so strong at this point, CBS had him go to an hour!

I actually can't wait to watch the show everyday.

Yup.

ETA. No, is the new , not the other way around.

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by MarkH

Be careful: someone is going to jump out of the bushes and say Why do you watch then? LMAO!

But, I don't watch........

I CAN'T BELIEVE people are comparing MAB to Bell!

But seriously, 1979 was this AMAZING year. As a 14 year old boy, it was total perfection. Suzanne Lynch gaslighting Kay (and drugging her)...Kay going to a sanitarium that burned down and being presumed dead...Kay gaslighting Suzanne (via "haunting") thereafter...Chris Brooks kidnapped by Rose Deville (white slavery ring owner) and almost killed...Liz Foster shot by a mafia hitman that was gunning for her son Greg...the endless Lucas-Lorie-Lance-Leslie quad. It couldn't have been much after that (1980?) that Vanessa Prentiss faked her murder by committing suicide (she had a terminal illness) but first framing hated daughter-in-law Lorie for her swan dive off a balcony. And within a year, Victor Newman came along and put his pregnant wife's lover in a DUNGEON. His pregnant wife, Julia, lost HER baby falling down the same staircase as Ashley!!

MAB is chanelling the Y&R of 30 years ago. It was a time I loved very much. Remember, within two years later, Patty Williams was going crazy, shooting Jack, having amnesia about it...

I actually thought Bill Bell's later years were NOT his strongest. I remembered one of his last major stories being Nikki insta-marrying her GYNECOLOGIST...who promptly had a psycho-stalker wife (there's that darkness again!). But it gave Kay Alden the chance to start with the amazing Victor-Nikki reunion and Diane Jenkins divorce.

Bill Bell--I am convinced--would have been VERY pleased with much of what is going on right now. Plot driven, gothic, kinky, but those are my favorite memories of some of Bill Bell's best days. Y&R was so strong at this point, CBS had him go to an hour!

Eh. No.

Edited June 9, 200916 yr by Sylph

I CAN'T BELIEVE people are comparing MAB to Bell!

Well, I guess I'm one of them. I own that too.

To be very clear...I am agreeing with alphanguy79 that the dark, gothic nature of the stories this summer are not at all discrepant with the summer of 1979.