Yep.

Lil Miss Flowbee herself.

Haha! Thanks, Dee. What made them think anyone wanted to see Malcolm sexing up the grieving mother?

Oh god now I'm remembering Vanessa Lerner, big discussion about whether or not she was Jewish. And Dru's classic "At least she's a sista!" back when Damon was sexing up Phyllis. KHC was horrible on Y&R.

What made them think anyone wanted to see Malcolm sexing up the grieving mother?

Worked for Brad.

KHC was horrible on Y&R.

He was so wasted.

So was Enos.

February 14, 2002 - First stint.

September 1, 2005 - Second Stint.

Thank you!

On the graph above, February 14 2002 is week 110. September 1, 2005 is week 296.

There is ABSOLUTELY a huge plummet after the first departure (blue line, at the left). But it is the same decline Alden had before Shemar left.

Now, I think Logan's point was that the loss post-Shemar was mostly in African American viewers...but I don't have those data.

Ratings-wise (and I'm not blaming Alden), Alden's regime was a DISASTER. (All of daytime was falling). The only regime that showed faster decline was the MAB/JG regime in early 2008. And LML's solo run (after KA/JS/ES etc. were gone) was the third most disastrous.

Thank you!

On the graph above, February 14 2002 is week 110. September 1, 2005 is week 296.

There is ABSOLUTELY a huge plummet after the first departure (blue line, at the left). But it is the same decline Alden had before Shemar left.

How huge?

How huge?

Look at the period after the first red arrow (Shemar's first departure, according to Alvin).

HUGE. Massive decline slope. I haven't figured out numbers, but it is clear that this was a big part of Alden's overall negative slope.

I don't think any star in daytime is big enough to bring in the ratings and make them stick. The only example I can find is Vanessa Marcil's return to GH. But Y&R didn't lose a million viewers immediately after Rowell left, it took over a year for them to really plummet. Daytime is an ensemble effort, no one star makes or break a show.

But there are different demographics and I do think you can prove that they go up and down based on certain storylines and actors. Y&R happens to have a large minority fanbase so losing a star like Victoria Rowell with no strong backup COULD affect those viewers. It's not an unreasonable thought, IMO. Honestly, I don't think she's the only solution to their minority problem, but she IS the easiest to write for (Dru, like a Victor or Jack writes herself) and they clearly have no interest in putting much thought into their stories.

That's what I thought too at first, but Nelson said that he "failed to earn a final nod"--which makes me think it's someone who is either no longer on their show or is currently on GL.

He meant it as they were up for a pre-nom but didn't make the final cut. GL can still be eligible next year as well.

I've got to agree with Nelson on Don Diamont's B&B debut: less than impressive so far.

Yep, Bill Spencer is pretty much Brad Carlton with facial hair.

Awww, but I like Molly Burnett and LOVE Melanie.

There were three key losses in late 2001 - Feb 2002: 1) Ryan was killed; 2) AB left the role of Mac and 3) Shemar left. I also credit the whole Neil as a drunk on the streets S/L turning people off -- I know I FF through that. But that's what brought CK to the show and VR back. I remember when TV Guide reported the 1MM viewer loss and they tied it to Shemar -- the quote was: "He was good, but not THAT good." Obviously Logan (or whoever wrote that) didn't get it!

There were three key losses in late 2001 - Feb 2002: 1) Ryan was killed; 2) AB left the role of Mac and 3) Shemar left. I also credit the whole Neil as a drunk on the streets S/L turning people off -- I know I FF through that. But that's what brought CK to the show and VR back. I remember when TV Guide reported the 1MM viewer loss and they tied it to Shemar -- the quote was: "He was good, but not THAT good." Obviously Logan (or whoever wrote that) didn't get it!

Yeah, it was Logan.

I guess what I seem to recall is that they REALLY lost African American viewers at that time. It wasn't across the board...it was ESPECIALLY the African American viewers. (I wish I could find that story).

So, what you point out above is that lots of different things could have caused the viewer loss -- especially the AA viewer loss. But it does make one wonder if what happened with Malcolm and Neil at that point -- with no Dru on scene to buffer against it -- really drove a lot of these viewer losses. I'm sure losing Ryan and so forth also mattered...but that is a REALLY STEEP period of decline.

She's entirely full of herself, and while she has some valid arguments, you can tell not having an Emmy haunts her ass. I mean, those awards are a joke anyway, and why is she STILL hung up over it? Get over it already. We know it's not a fair system, and you don't have one at home, but sheesh. It's hard to take her seriously sometimes.

I totally agree. How sad that she still makes a stink about it. Methinks she wishes she hadn't left Y&R so abruptly... they've seamlessly moved on without, but she clearly hasn't...

I totally agree. How sad that she still makes a stink about it. Methinks she wishes she hadn't left Y&R so abruptly... they've seamlessly moved on without, but she clearly hasn't...

It makes me miss fan-awards. I know the SOD awards were DEEPLY, DEEPLY flawed. (Back when I paid attention, DOOL won most of the awards...that would be the year David Hasselhoff and Catherine Hickland co-hosted, and the show was syndicated). But fan awards could be better done (use a polling firm, and random sampling), and it would give a chance for a second set of awards that is based on regular viewership--rather than peer nominations and selected scenes.

Do you really feel Y&R has moved on seamlessly? I feel like there is a huge hole where Rowell used to be. The whole awful Lane-Tyra-Karen debacle (it seems to me) has been sucked into the vacuum created by that hole...but the show still feels damaged to me in this regard. But obviously this is just my opinion.

Bill Spencer is pretty much Brad Carlton with facial hair.

Pretty much.

i love VR, i really do and i SO want her back on Y&R, hence I wish she would just STFU. i think it's almost safe to say that she'll never be back.

I don't really think she wants to come back. I think she says that she's open to the possibility just to [!@#$%^&*] with TPTB but I doubt she truly wants to return. She knows that when her book drops next year, it will napalm any possibility of a return and I suspect she's looking forward to it. I also think she's feeling vindicated as more and more of the Y&R sickness comes to light.