Oh goodness. How many people complain about their jobs? He is making, excuse me, was making 6-figures in a very important role on the #1 rated soap. Actors complain about their storylines all the time (Katherine Heigl anyone?) but they still do the work.

I'm in complete agreement with you. He shouldn't have quit. He should have honored his contract. I'm only saying I can understand why he would have hated the story.

I'm in complete agreement with you. He shouldn't have quit. He should have honored his contract. I'm only saying I can understand why he would have hated the story.

I'm just piggy-backing off your post not disagreeing. Is piggy-backing too GHEY!!!?? Seriously though, I'm gonna calm down now. This stuff just makes me see red like Uma Thurman in Kill Bill.

Closeminded people can be both straight and gay.

Right on!

I don't label my sexual orientation, I'm very proud to be liberal, I vote Democrat, and my main philosophy is to let people be who they are as long as they are not directly causing anyone but themselves mental or physical pain. But you know what I did two nights ago? I attempted to power-vote for Kris Allen on American Idol. And now that he's won, people are calling me an ignorant conservative Republican fundamentalist? WTF?! I'm tired of the [!@#$%^&*] drama queens like Perez who make life hell for the rest of us. Stick a douche in it.

Thanks man! Can't wait for it either, though I'm pissed about them killing off you know who in the pilot.

No, I don't know who. Do I want to know? If it's Michael, I might destroy stuff...hell, I can't fight the urge to Google it........!!!!!!! :o :o Wow. To the MP thread I go to discuss. Thanks for the heads-up.

I'm just piggy-backing off your post not disagreeing. Is piggy-backing too GHEY!!!?? Seriously though, I'm gonna calm down now. This stuff just makes me see red like Uma Thurman in Kill Bill.

Piggybacking is fine, just don't kiss me.

Michael Muhney is great at playing scummy characters, I have faith he'll be better in this role than Engen ever was.

You mean will forget Chris??

I do love the MP spoiler.

Piggybacking is fine, just don't kiss me.

I don't label my sexual orientation, I'm very proud to be liberal, I vote Democrat, and my main philosophy is to let people be who they are as long as they are not directly causing anyone but themselves mental or physical pain. But you know what I did two nights ago? I attempted to power-vote for Kris Allen on American Idol. And now that he's won, people are calling me an ignorant conservative Republican fundamentalist? WTF?! I'm tired of the [!@#$%^&*] drama queens like Perez who make life hell for the rest of us. Stick a douche in it.

ICAM

Wow so much conversation since I last checked in. I don't watch Y&R so I can't comment on CE's acting or the storyline but nonetheless here's my $.02:

• I stand by my belief that CE is less a bigot and more either 1.) an overreacting closet case, 2.) a burned out actor with an inflated ego and disillusioned with his role on the show for whatever reason, who probably has other personal issues or 3.) most likely both.

  This reminds me of the whole (rumored) Ambyr Childers situation. I simply don't understand why people with biases against gays or minorities pursue careers in acting. That would be like me applying for a job at Fox News or my local Diocese. It's something I might do instead of drug dealing or pole dancing. (Who I am kidding? If the choice is Fox or the pole, fetch me my clear heels and belly chain!)

• Obviously there's more to the story on Y&R's part. The lightning speed with which CE was replaced shows that they were ready to recast. I doubt they expected him to walk so he was probably going to be fired. And he should have made them fire him. He shouldn't have quit. Now the show looks like the victim and he comes off as the idiot. Plus he gets a bad rep to boot.

• The sheer fact that this was broken by Nelson and now pimped by Perez makes it suspect. I don't care if CE marched around the studio in a "God Hates F**s" t-shirt, Nelson's public agenda is so ugly it almost refutes any private bigotry CE may have. And Perez is practically the gay Joe McCarthy.

I hope they don't sue Engen. I don't think it'll serve any purpose. Soaps are in poor enough shape without giving the mainstream press something like this to latch on to. Better to leave him to his fate - whatever that is - and go on with the story - whatever that is.

Bottom line, I wish every "straight" actor could be as secure as John Stamos or Jake Gyllenhaal. In fact, I wish every straight man could be that secure whether he's an actor or not. I'm not holding my breath. Don't turn this guy into the next Carrie Prejean. We just got rid of her!

ETA: Am I the only person in the world who doesn't give a [!@#$%^&*] about American Idol?!

Edited May 22, 200916 yr by marceline

In related news, Sabrina is back in Genoa City!

http://www.soapoperanetwork.com/soaps/yr/n...une-begins.html

Michael Muhney is great at playing scummy characters, I have faith he'll be better in this role than Engen ever was.

I just really hope to see him bring a vulnerability to the character that CE had not only in his delivery, but in his physical presence.

In related news, Sabrina is back in Genoa City!

http://www.soapoperanetwork.com/soaps/yr/n...une-begins.html

Oh, thank goodness it's a ghostly appearance, I thought that "thing" was coming back for good.

Edited May 22, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I can't believe anyone would defend this ass. Imagine if Tuc Watkins said he refuses to kiss Robin Strasser and is leaving...there would be 500 posts hoping the door hit him on the way out.

I just really hope to see him bring a vulnerability to the character that CE had not only in his delivery, but in his physical presence.

I saw no vulnerability in Engen, I saw a lack of range and utter blandness. I still remember those scenes with Victor yelling at him in prison, Engen looked like he was on the verge of laughter when he was supposed to be crying.

What black got to do with it. Blacks has their own problems. I notice Everytime people talk about Gay issue they bring up black people. Black is still black with issues because people still don't want to discuss racism.