16 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

Wasn't Sally also viewed as a surrogate daughter of Mac & Rachel's? If so, she so could've filled the void of Amanda instead of constantly recasting Amanda. I feel like after Christine Tucci left the role, they should've put Amanda on ice until Sandy Ferguson returned to reclaim the role in '98. 

 

And didn't the show become Vicky-centric once Vicky Wyndham supposedly gave the green light for them to push Vicky more in the forefront? That's something I've always heard. I feel like the show became too focused on Vicky about the last 3 years. While Vicky drove story throughout the early to mid 90s, there was at least balance and other characters got to shine. 

In addition to Sally, keeping Nancy around would have also helped the balance. I'm surprised she didn't resurface on a regular basis, either with Jane Cameron or a recast. AW certainly wasn't shy about recasting in the '80s/early '90s even if most were unsuccessful. 

5 hours ago, tune_in_tomorrow said:

In addition to Sally, keeping Nancy around would have also helped the balance. I'm surprised she didn't resurface on a regular basis, either with Jane Cameron or a recast. AW certainly wasn't shy about recasting in the '80s/early '90s even if most were unsuccessful. 

 

Judi Evans (Paulina) could have been a perfect recast of Nancy in the 90s.

15 minutes ago, watson71 said:

 

Judi Evans (Paulina) could have been a perfect recast of Nancy in the 90s.

 

True. Plus a lot of Nancy & Paulina's history intertwined. 

 

Both ladies dated Jake.

Both ladies dated Joe. 

Both women had tense relations with Vicky. 

 

Judi Evans had stellar chemistry with Vicky Wyndham and Constance Ford. 

 

It could've worked. The stories they gave Paulina in the 90s could've easily went to Nancy with Judi Evans playing her.

Edited April 21, 20178 yr by Nothin'ButAttitude

On 4/20/2017 at 2:20 PM, teplin said:

 

Speaking of May/December romances -- or perhaps August/December -- I've seen it claimed that Lemay's story projections for his 1988 return included bringing Pat Randolph back ... and pairing her with John Hudson. How anybody would know that, I have no idea, but I would have loved to see Beverly Penberthy on a regular basis again.

I recall hearing that too.  OMG., Can you imagine of Harding Lemay stayed on other than the two months.  Sharlene and Pat were friendly in the past since Alice was her sister and Steve Frame was Shars brother

On 4/20/2017 at 5:46 PM, watson71 said:

 

I'll cut TPTB some slack with those 25th Anniversary episodes for some "missteps" since the scripts had to be heavily rewritten to compensate the untimely death of Douglass Watson (Mac).  Wasn't he on vacation when he passed away, and then was to return to film the party scenes for the 25th Anniversary.   There was a scene in the episodes where Rachel and Alice speak about missing Steve.  This was the perfect time to do some Alice, Steve, and Rachel flashbacks or have Steve appear to both Alice and Rachel.

 

AW needed some real stability in 1989 after the passing of Douglass Watson.   If George Reihholt had himself together to be a team player, I would have rewritten the Edward Black/Steve Frame story to have David Canary's character be an imposter who assumed Steve's identity and held the real Steve hostage after his plane crash in 1975.   Mac could have discovered the real Steve was alive and sent the clue to Rachel in the red swan.  The real Steve turns up alive, and you could have had the real Rachel/Steve/Alice triangle in 1989 to compensate for the absence of Mac.  This would have made more sense than the entire Ken Jordan/Paulina story that aired on the show.

Wow,  i really like these thoughts and theories especially bringing Reinholt back maybe after Watson died and that the whole John Black thing was a set up?  Hated the whole new triangle in 1981 and did not work with terrible miscasts of roles for Steve and Alice.  The Ken Jordan thing was simply awful.  After the 25 anniversary it all really began to tank with only a few decent stories after that.  Now that I see the footage of Alice and Rachel fighting in 1974, that would have been the perfect scenes to play during the anniversary show.  I am guessing that did not have any of it to play and this is fortunate we can see it now.  

18 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Yes, with the sudden death of DW, the scripts had to be drastically rewritten quickly, so I tend to give the writers some clack, particularly since there was a lot of satisfying stuff offered to veteran viewers during the anniversary week.

 

Since we know that Jacquie Courtney had made copies of and kept many of her most memorable scenes as Alice, I just wish the show had shown vintage Alice/Steven/Rachel flashbacks, particularly that famous scene where Rachel went to the country house and tried to kick Alice out. That would have been the icing on the cake for me.

One would think that AW production would want to show the memorable scenes of Steve, Alice and Rachel but I am sure the show did not want to show footage owned by a former actor due to copyright and monetary issues.  Also, VW was the star of the show and they wanted this celebration to be about her and not Alice.  I totally disagree but any EP would make sure his star player was the focus.  So many new threads out here.  I love it

It would have made A LOT more sense to pair up Rachel with Steve after Mac's death than to pair her with Carl whom terrorized them and tried to kill Mac. I could never buy into them as a couple. 

On 4/19/2017 at 10:10 AM, Khan said:

 

Yeah, I've read how even Dorothy Lyman herself didn't recognize her own character when she returned for the 25th anniversary episodes; and watching those scenes, it does seem as if she's channeling "Naopal" more than anyone else.

So, it is my understanding that DL was asked to come back for the anniversary in the role of Gwen even before Leon Russom declined (Willis Frame).  I do believe after he declined, they did decided to make Gwen the whacko but it is also believable since she and Willis did go broke in Australia.  They went there to work for Cory Publishing.  They also broke up and she could start to harbor a resentment towards Rachel and Mac. Something that could happen in real life and Swajeski did throw in the line as Sharlene said to John, I don't remember her like this at all.  Also, AWHP editor wrote about Gwen Frames medical history that it was even reference in the 70's she had some mental health issues.  I cant confirm that since I was about 8 or 9 when Gwen played the role but due remember her with Willis.  I wonder if Leon decided to come back as Willis how this would have all played out?  Maybe Gwen would have been the one to save Rachel knowing what Willis had up his sleeve or maybe working in concert together to get back at Rachel.  Ore even if Meave Kinkaid came bak as Angie.  Willis's loves and rivals of the two women.  I read the Meave was asked to come back as Angie Perrini Frame.

On 4/19/2017 at 9:31 AM, zanereed said:

"Painful" is putting it mildly  That was horrific to watch. Even more horrid was the fact that it happened to the Matthews family beginning in 1982 (some might say even earlier), when Pat and Alice were written out (the latter understandably) and Jim died. I really thought that they were trying to build up the Matthews family again in 1989 when they brought Russ back and introduced Olivia. I even thought that they were going to start a storyline where Josie would eventually be revealed to be the daughter of Russ. Sadly, that did not happen.

Josie was revealed as Russ's daughter.  Are you stating you did not know that or that fact that since she was a Matthews that maybe the family would be a focus again?  I think AW threw away a lot of opportunities but again maybe a sign of the times.  I always thought they should have introduced Frame children from Gwen and Willis and the long lost never spoken about again Vince.  Molly Ordway come back to town.  JQ should have def come back after the 25th anniversary but I think again VW was the star and they did not want to ruffle her feathers either

47 minutes ago, denzo30 said:

 

One would think that AW production would want to show the memorable scenes of Steve, Alice and Rachel but I am sure the show did not want to show footage owned by a former actor due to copyright and monetary issues.  Also, VW was the star of the show and they wanted this celebration to be about her and not Alice.  I totally disagree but any EP would make sure his star player was the focus.  So many new threads out here.  I love it

 

Well, JC did not "own" the material. P&G did. She only made personal copies of the scenes and episodes she wanted to keep. The show included other flashbacks with Alice during the anniversary week, and it would not have cost any more to use 1974 flashbacks than it did to use the other ones which TPTB chose to include instead. The 25th anniversary was a celebration of the show, not specifically VW, and showcasing the best-available clips from its history should have been the main goal.

10 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Well, JC did not "own" the material. P&G did. She only made personal copies of the scenes and episodes she wanted to keep. The show included other flashbacks with Alice during the anniversary week, and it would not have cost any more to use 1974 flashbacks than it did to use the other ones which TPTB chose to include instead. The 25th anniversary was a celebration of the show, not specifically VW, and showcasing the best-available clips from its history should have been the main goal.

i dont disagree with you for a second and wish that is the way it worked out.  I did not see all those awesome scenes from 1974 till years later.  They should have played them.  I am wondering if they were actually available.  The show did not save any scenes since 1979 and I think all of the great past footage is from loyal fans???  Again though, the EP in 1989 (I think Michael Liabson) prob wanted to keep the focus on Rachel.  Again, as I stated otherwise that I wish it was about the whole cast and returns and not about mac and rachel and that was their goal about the anniversary in my eyes.  Who knows what goes on behind the scenes either.  Actors making sure they are the focus.  Cant see any reason why VW would be opposed to the 74 clip but I really think they did not have their hands on any of this stuff we are seeing now from the past..

 

13 minutes ago, denzo30 said:

i dont disagree with you for a second and wish that is the way it worked out.  I did not see all those awesome scenes from 1974 till years later.  They should have played them.  I am wondering if they were actually available.  The show did not save any scenes since 1979 and I think all of the great past footage is from loyal fans???  Again though, the EP in 1989 (I think Michael Liabson) prob wanted to keep the focus on Rachel.  Again, as I stated otherwise that I wish it was about the whole cast and returns and not about mac and rachel and that was their goal about the anniversary in my eyes.  Who knows what goes on behind the scenes either.  Actors making sure they are the focus.  Cant see any reason why VW would be opposed to the 74 clip but I really think they did not have their hands on any of this stuff we are seeing now from the past..

 

 

I think Vicky Wyndham would have been fine playing the 74 clips- in her 25th Anniversary episode from 1997- there were plenty of 70s clips of Mac and Rachel, Rachel and Ada, and Rachel and Steve- in 1989 the show probably used clips they had easy access to, I'm sure they didn't go out of their way searching for specific clips.  

 

Makes you wonder what still exists in some video library somewhere, and why P&G still sits on laurels about airing what does exist from all their soaps. MeTV, AntennaTV, Hulu, Nextflix- could be airing episodes of all the P&G soaps...

2 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

True. Plus a lot of Nancy & Paulina's history intertwined. 

 

Both ladies dated Jake.

Both ladies dated Joe. 

Both women had tense relations with Vicky. 

 

Judi Evans had stellar chemistry with Vicky Wyndham and Constance Ford. 

 

It could've worked. The stories they gave Paulina in the 90s could've easily went to Nancy with Judi Evans playing her.

 

Could not agree with you more... 👍🏼😀👍🏼

Nancy dated Joe???

Off screen

 

13 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Nancy dated Joe???

 

Yup. It was his introduction to the show. It was offscreen as @slick jones pointed out. Apparently, they were high school sweethearts. 

20 hours ago, Melroser said:

It would have made A LOT more sense to pair up Rachel with Steve after Mac's death than to pair her with Carl whom terrorized them and tried to kill Mac. I could never buy into them as a couple. 

Neither can.  I cant stand Carl or the whole story.  I think while Russ Matthews was still around maybe they should have paired him with Rachel again.  They had a great relationship

Man I love this thread!

Daytime TV December 1975.