I saw the Fishers and change the channel. I can't watch them for anything.

But that is Gloria's villainy! It is actually a classic and REAL (IN THIS WORLD) form of villainy. Manipulation through guilting and playing victim. I think you may all be hating this because it is not "funny malevolent Tricia's-got-a-gun evil", but the kind of ordinary demagogery, stupidity and recklessness that micht actually see in the everyday world. Gloria does that coquettish thing, and we know she's manipulating...she's "inauthentic". But none of these are reasons, IMO, to hate her.

Gloria is not stupid. She is RECKLESS. She's Amber, all grown up. I'll take you by the hand and introduce you to ten real women like that .

You see reckless, I see stupid. Amber I like, Amber has done some bad things, some good things...but Amber has never gone "[!@#$%^&*] the world, I'm doing what I want to do for me"....Gloria is just a dumbass.

I saw the Fishers and change the channel. I can't watch them for anything.

I mean this with respect, truly. Honestly.

But if that happens, you can't say you have an open mind, right?

Honestly, the scenes today were objectively good (I think). When the Fisher boys play their love for one another, it is a palpable force.

You see reckless, I see stupid. Amber I like, Amber has done some bad things, some good things...but Amber has never gone "[!@#$%^&*] the world, I'm doing what I want to do for me"....Gloria is just a dumbass.

You must have loved it when the hack bitch from hell wrote the dumbass on the frontburner everyday

You must have loved it when the hack bitch from hell wrote the dumbass on the frontburner everyday

Hack bitch from the depths of hell, MarkH, the depths is an important detail.

I did not love that Gloria and the rest of the Baldwin Fishers swallowed the show alive...but Jack Smith started that, so he gets equal blame as well.

And I'm sorry, but I see sexual tension when LeBlanc and Rikaart play up their brotherly bond.

THAT is why I can't love her. I LOVE bitches and schemers and bastards on soaps. I identify more with the villain 100% of the time. But Gloria is way to stupid and plays the victim way too much for me to root for her. I want her to just curl up in a corner and die, she's really nauseating.

AMEN! You and I, we just click in terms of what we like and don't like on Y&R

AMEN! You and I, we just click in terms of what we like and don't like on Y&R

Great minds think alike

And I'm sorry, but I see sexual tension when LeBlanc and Rikaart play up their brotherly bond.

Yeah what's up with that? I was getting a bit of a vibe too from those scenes

Hack bitch from the depths of hell, MarkH, the depths is an important detail.

I did not love that Gloria and the rest of the Baldwin Fishers swallowed the show alive...but Jack Smith started that, so he gets equal blame as well.

And I'm sorry, but I see sexual tension when LeBlanc and Rikaart play up their brotherly bond.

Yeah, as do I regarding that last part..... it was really really obvious today....

The Fisher Hour was what helped Y&R sink as low as it did creatively. The biggest problem was That hack bitch from the depths of hell put too much focus on SUPPORTING ACTORS and either didn't write for established leading characters, or totally butchered them, or got rid of them....

No one in the Fisher clan is lead.... Michael is best when he is supporting.....

I am fine with his current role on the show.

Yeah what's up with that?

Art imitates life.

Yeah what's up with that? I was getting a bit of a vibe too from those scenes

Didnt help that Michael was urging him not to remain in the closet

Do these look familiar Y&R fans?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24682838@N05/3160690671/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24682838@N05/3156789396/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24682838@N05/3160690675/

^The Chancellor mansion, Abbot mansion, and Newman ranch sets in claymation?

^The Chancellor mansion, Abbot mansion, and Newman ranch sets in claymation?

Aren't they cute? This person did them for tons of sitcom sets, and there are more Y&R ones.

Do these look familiar Y&R fans?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24682838@N05/3160690671/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24682838@N05/3156789396/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24682838@N05/3160690675/

LOL Thanks for these! Are they fan-made? I can't see the Y&R production making these, unless they were needed for set/decoration purposes?

Aren't they cute? This person did them for tons of sitcom sets, and there are more Y&R ones.

Do you have the other Y&R ones?