Not surprised. At this point I'm hoping NATO countries start funding the resistance. 

 

 

1 minute ago, marceline said:

Not surprised. At this point I'm hoping NATO countries start funding the resistance. 

 

 

They've probably been waiting for the day they can move away from the US (I think she also mentioned the UK) and feel free to do what they want, knowing we will have less and less say in the world. And clearly that's what a lot of Americans want them to do, so I guess we brought it on ourselves.

^I was about to share this. This is astonishing, and I hope more countries take a stand. 

 

1 hour ago, marceline said:

 Bernie hates Democrats. He hates us more than Republicans. Now we're finding out that the murderer in Portland was a Bernie supporter who then flipped to Trump. We're going to see more and more of that. Google "horseshoe theory." The difference between the alt right and the alt left is negligible. In both cases it's feed by toxic masculinity and white supremacy.

Geez Marceline. This is so incredibly insulting.

Perhaps but it's not like I invented the theory.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

 

Both the alt right and alt left are fueled by white men who feel like they are losing power. They may have different beliefs but the psychology is the same. Both groups are willing to erode rights in order to get what they want.

55 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

They've probably been waiting for the day they can move away from the US (I think she also mentioned the UK) and feel free to do what they want, knowing we will have less and less say in the world. And clearly that's what a lot of Americans want them to do, so I guess we brought it on ourselves.

The shame is, we'll never regain our former position of influence and respect. Wait until they decide to shift from the dollar as the universal currency. Many countries have long objected to the advantageousness of the arrangement for the U.S. But it's hard to change the status quo.

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

 

They've probably been waiting for the day they can move away from the US (I think she also mentioned the UK) and feel free to do what they want, knowing we will have less and less say in the world. And clearly that's what a lot of Americans want them to do, so I guess we brought it on ourselves.

I'm not adverse to a better balance and allowing the Europeans to have more say. But you can back off a bit and allow them to exert more influence while still being an active NATO member and one of the leaders. But that isn't the strategy our power mongers are deploying here IMO, if there is one in fact.

The Russian fungus now extends to Mitch McConnell! Surprised? Yeah, me neither.

4 minutes ago, Wendy said:

The Russian fungus now extends to Mitch McConnell! Surprised? Yeah, me neither.

 

It's blatantly obvious that the entire Repub apparatus has been compromised. That's part of the reason I'm okay with this investigation taking a long time. This thing obviously goes far and deep. Once this is over, principled conservatives are going to have to work to rebuild their party. The problem is that even the principled ones had no problem trafficking in lies and bullsh!t before Trump. Once he's gone, I'm afraid they'll easily slide back into that role.

20 minutes ago, Wendy said:

The Russian fungus now extends to Mitch McConnell! Surprised? Yeah, me neither.

 

Not the least bit surprised. It's obvious that they are tied to Russia too seeing how adamant many of them defend Trump. IMO, I think that majority of the GOP politicians and their pundits are tied to Russia. I am beginning to believe that this is one big web of treasonists, who sold their souls to ensure they'd win all 3 branches back. Pence, McConnell, Graham, Ryan, Santorum, Kingston, etc. -- I think they are all tied to Russia in some way or another. 

Perhaps there is hope for our country down the line: Eighth graders refuse to be photographed with Paul Ryan.

3 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

I'm not adverse to a better balance and allowing the Europeans to have more say. But you can back off a bit and allow them to exert more influence while still being an active NATO member and one of the leaders. But that isn't the strategy our power mongers are deploying here IMO, if there is one in fact.

This is an interesting thread. There are about 8 tweets in it.  Basically that Germany can't hold the line against Russia without the US and all of this might result in a Euro nukes program.  Seems like Trump's legacy could be the spread of nukes from Europe to Japan.  Pax Americana was nice while it lasted.

As soon as I read about Mitch McConnell threatening Obama with a smear campaign in order to keep him from releasing some intel regarding Russian interference, I knew that turtle was in someone's back pocket.  So, no, it doesn't surprise me, lol.

I have to shake my head when I see tweets like "All our hope is in Germany's hands." Germany isn't going to be there for us. And not for the Western world either. They are going to look out for themselves (as the US has done) and we aren't going to be able to go along for the ride. We have to sort out our own problems, and after Merkel was burned so bad over the refugees, so will most of those who are struggling outside her borders.

 

It's odd to me how someone is always looking for a hero or a new idol in politics when it always has the same disillusioned, unhappy ending.

7 hours ago, marceline said:

We've got to stop hoping there's going to be some magic event that makes these people regret what they did. If they were capable of that level of reasoning they never would've voted for that fraud to begin with. We need to keep reminding them of their foolishness but stop expecting they'll own up to it.

 

Agree.  It's unfortunate that we, as a nation, must adopt this attitude going forward, but we have to.  We just have to.  Otherwise, we're just going to become bogged down.