The Politics Thread

[DramatistDreamer]

The tone from the MSM toward Biden is gross. I have been avoiding most of the msm media saying that Biden has “finally” dropped out and trying to cast blame on him for the timing. Katy Kay dropped in to the BBC to drop Joe Manchin’s name for any reason is also gross. And citing polling (as a reason for ousting Biden) that has been wrong for years is a weird flex.

[marceline]

I'm out. I'm done. I've officially checked out on this race and the Democratic Party. I've ended all recurring donations including to the state party. I want nothing to do with a party that would do what we just saw done to Joe Biden. 

[NothinButAttitude]

Friend, no! We have to support Kamala! We'll just get revenge in the long haul b/c primaring out all the people that did him dirty. 

[marceline]

I don't have to do a single thing. These people have tossed Harris into a woodchipper. The press wanted to beat up on the Black lady and the party just said "Here you go!"

I'm already preparing myself for President Vance.

[Liberty City]

Good, when the country blows up, don't want to hear you bitch about it at all. 

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 Sitting out is unacceptable. Period. Point blank.

[Maxim]

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[DramatistDreamer]

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[DramatistDreamer]

For years I have been railing against the undue influence of big corporations, wealthy donors and PACs and I absolutely detest the fact that a relatively small group of well-heeled and wealthy donors wielded such influence to push out a man who has been committed to public service to this country and I also resented the fact that his Democratic successor, especially seeing that all roads point to KDH, will be forced to work with the shortest timeline of any modern Democratic presidential candidate in my lifetime.

I also realized that in all good conscience, these are not good reasons to withdraw because even with how I feel about the process, I cannot afford to withdraw my support from a candidate that I believe will make a good president. I also see that if Trump/Vance slithers into the WH, most of Biden/Harris’ hard work will be reversed or eliminated. If we thought COVID-19 (which hit the U.S. and world under Trump’s watch and quickly spread out of control) was horrendous, wait until the next pandemic or worldwide crisis occurs. When Trump was in office it was one near catastrophic event after another. Look how many didn’t survive his last administration. Personally, I don’t want to see that again. Everyone has got to act according to their own conscience. I accept that.

[Maxim]

Great points.  

[janea4old]

https://x.com/gretchenwhitmer/status/1815408498420707623

full text:
Gretchen Whitmer @gretchenwhitmer
Today, not only am I fired up to endorse @KamalaHarris
 for President of the United States, I’m proud to serve as a co-chair of her campaign. 

In Vice President Harris, Michigan voters have a candidate they can count on to lower their costs, protect their freedoms, and build an economy that works for working people. Donald Trump is a convicted felon who stokes violence, overturned Roe, and drove our economy into the ground. We cannot let him anywhere near the White House.

Vice President Harris, you have my full support. Let’s win this.

 

Edited July 22, 2024 by janea4old

[Khan]

I don't know what else to say, @marceline, except I'm heartbroken that you feel this way. 

I wish I had just the words to encourage you (and anyone else who might feel the same as you) to get back in the fight, because this fight needs people like you, who are passionate and well-informed and who don't give up no matter how tough the going gets.  But I understand how you feel.

I, too, am disgusted with the Democratic Party's treatment of Joe Biden.  As I told a friend on Facebook: Biden didn't jump, he was pushed.  After all that he has done to correct the path that our country has taken, the leaders within his party owed him their loyalty.  Instead, they've sat him down in a wheelchair and rolled him off to Shady Pines.

The past several days and weeks have taught me two lessons: 1) as long as the Democratic Party keeps allowing the GOP and the MSM to control the narrative, every election will be an uphill battle; and 2) perhaps more importantly, for all that progressives get wrong, there's also one thing they get very right: the Democratic Party does not belong to its' voter base, but to a bunch of white, male billionaires who believe they know what's best for everyone.  In that sense, the Democratic Party is no different from the GOP.

Like I said, I wish I knew what to say to make you change your mind, @marceline.  Hell, I'm not even sure I don't want to join you, lol.  If the press hasn't begun tearing down Kamala Harris' reputation and character yet, they will in due time - and no, it will not be pretty either.  As a matter of fact, I'd venture to say that when they DO draw their knives for her, it will expose the true, racist and misogynistic underbelly of this country like never before and make their treatment of Barack and Michelle Obama look like Tiddlywinks by comparison.

But I also know that if a second Trump administration potentially could be even HALF as awful as his first was...?  Sigh.  I gotta stay in this fight and punch for Kamala, even though the Democratic Party deserves nothing less now than your utmost contempt and mine.

It might be all for nothing in the end, but like the song says...

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[Broderick]

I've been thinking the short timeline awarded to Harris might be a blessing in disguise.  Voters won't have a chance to get sick of her before November, and she won't have as many opportunities to slip-up.  If she ends up running a successful campaign, we may start seeing shorter campaigns from both parties in the future, which we'd likely ALL appreciate.  

I'm outdone with the way Biden was "shoved aside".  However, I'm confident he was going to lose in November, and it was beginning to sink-in to everyone surrounding him. If the Dem's in-depth polling data showed Biden had little-to-no chance in Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (because of the polling deficits), then something needed to be altered, rather than trash a winnable election and ride-out a doomed campaign out of respect for the nominee, when there's still 5 months to right the ship.     

 

[Khan]

If we are to believe the polls - and that's a big "if" from me! - then I would agree that a change needed to be made.  Polls or no polls, however, I just don't like the way Democratic leaders have forced this transition.  There were better ways to convince Joe Biden to step aside than yelling, "Go to bed, old man!"

But, what else should we have expected from a country that never values its' senior citizens?