20 hours ago, kalbir said:

Barry Jenner run on Dallas was 1984-1986 and he spent the rest of the 1980s in guest star roles, including two episodes of Falcon Crest in 1989. The timing works for him to have returned to Knots Landing in the late 1980s but for whatever reason that didn't happen.

Someone at CBS/Lorimar liked Barry Jenner, as he appeared on all three CBS primetime soaps. For me and many of my generation, Barry Jenner will forever be Lieutenant Murtaugh of Family Matters.

I preferred Barry on Dallas. I had forgotten he was on family matters.

Hell hath no fury like a Karen in a town car.

10 minutes ago, SoapDope78 said:

Hell hath no fury like a Karen in a town car.

I enjoyed the cliffhanger. I know a lot didn't.

The letdown was the premiere episode the following season.

Justice for Thrillin' Jill.

12 hours ago, SoapDope78 said:

Hell hath no fury like a Karen in a town car.

She truly was the inspiration for the meme Karen. LOL

14 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

I enjoyed the cliffhanger. I know a lot didn't.

My issue with that cliffhanger was that it seemed to come from out of nowhere. The team must've felt they didn't have an exciting "button" for the end of the season, so they tacked on the paintball attack, turned Karen's vigilante streak up to 11 with that ridic car chase, and then threw Jason's bloodied, unconscious body in as a way of playing gotcha one more time on their way over to the HOMEFRONT set.

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6 hours ago, Khan said:

My issue with that cliffhanger was that it seemed to come from out of nowhere. The team must've felt they didn't have an exciting "button" for the end of the season, so they tacked on the paintball attack, turned Karen's vigilante streak up to 11 with that ridic car chase, and then threw Jason's bloodied, unconscious body in as a way of playing gotcha one more time on their way over to the HOMEFRONT set.

I'm surprised they didn't have Val and the kids in the car with Karen when she took off like a bat out of hell.

29 minutes ago, SoapDope78 said:

I'm surprised they didn't have Val and the kids in the car with Karen when she took off like a bat out of hell.

Frankly, after that "brain virus," we needed to see as little of Val as possible, lol.

5 hours ago, Khan said:

My issue with that cliffhanger was that it seemed to come from out of nowhere. The team must've felt they didn't have an exciting "button" for the end of the season, so they tacked on the paintball attack, turned Karen's vigilante streak up to 11 with that ridic car chase, and then threw Jason's bloodied, unconscious body in as a way of playing gotcha one more time on their way over to the HOMEFRONT set.

This is also how I feel. I do agree with @Soapsuds that the real problem was the aftermath, where Karen seemingly had to meet 1991's version of the Joads, but it was just so much, and so sudden, and alongside the horrible choice of Claudia unwittingly murdering her son (one of the worst choices in KL's history), it sent a message that the Knots many viewers had become accustomed to was dead.

7 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

This is also how I feel. I do agree with @Soapsuds that the real problem was the aftermath, where Karen seemingly had to meet 1991's version of the Joads, but it was just so much, and so sudden, and alongside the horrible choice of Claudia unwittingly murdering her son (one of the worst choices in KL's history), it sent a message that the Knots many viewers had become accustomed to was dead.

That was horrible. I couldn't believe what I seeing on my screen. That was an all time low for Knots.

7 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

This is also how I feel. I do agree with @Soapsuds that the real problem was the aftermath, where Karen seemingly had to meet 1991's version of the Joads, but it was just so much, and so sudden, and alongside the horrible choice of Claudia unwittingly murdering her son (one of the worst choices in KL's history), it sent a message that the Knots many viewers had become accustomed to was dead.

That was horrible. I couldn't believe what I seeing on my screen. That was an all time low for Knots.

7 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

This is also how I feel. I do agree with @Soapsuds that the real problem was the aftermath, where Karen seemingly had to meet 1991's version of the Joads, but it was just so much, and so sudden, and alongside the horrible choice of Claudia unwittingly murdering her son (one of the worst choices in KL's history), it sent a message that the Knots many viewers had become accustomed to was dead.

Yeah, from what I'm able to recall, the 1990-91 season ended on a very sour note. There were the paintball attack and car chase that led to Jason's injury and (I think) the death of one of the other boys in that car (I've never gone back and looked at the first few episodes of the next season, so I've no idea); Steve and Kate's encounter with the police that led to Steve's killing; Brian Johnston dropping out of sight and Linda fearing for her safety due to that sex tape; and Anne, of all people, ended up broke and homeless. It was as if the Lechowicks and Stanleys were setting up John Romano and his team to fail, lol.

1 minute ago, Soapsuds said:

That was horrible. I couldn't believe what I seeing on my screen. That was an all time low for Knots.

In a way, though, I was happy just to see Steve Brewer gone. He was poorly conceived, poorly cast and poorly motivated. It's clear no one had a CLUE what to do with him.

The final four seasons were a chore to get through. They happened because CBS was in their third place primetime mess era for two of them and in the other two CBS really didn't have much success with launching new dramas.

9 minutes ago, Khan said:

Yeah, from what I'm able to recall, the 1990-91 season ended on a very sour note. There were the paintball attack and car chase that led to Jason's injury and (I think) the death of one of the other boys in that car (I've never gone back and looked at the first few episodes of the next season, so I've no idea); Steve and Kate's encounter with the police that led to Steve's killing; Brian Johnston dropping out of sight and Linda fearing for her safety due to that sex tape; and Anne, of all people, ended up broke and homeless. It was as if the Lechowicks and Stanleys were setting up John Romano and his team to fail, lol.

Linda's death was the final blow for Knots (although I know many would argue that had happened years earlier and I do agree the show didn't have much longer left even if it had been sterling quality). I forgot the finale had some of that too.

The Anne story was truly bizarre and was another case of very out of touch personnel. I am aware there were plenty of stories about the homeless in 1991, but the tone of the story was more like something Bette Davis might have done in her lean years. And then you have Stuart Pankin, who was presumably just cast because someone was a big fan of Not Necessarily the News (I don't remember if he even had an exit).

The sad part is I don't even mind season 12...even the stupid Val story I could get through. But that finale is one of the worst I've seen of any show, and beneath Knots.

36 minutes ago, Khan said:

In a way, though, I was happy just to see Steve Brewer gone. He was poorly conceived, poorly cast and poorly motivated. It's clear no one had a CLUE what to do with him.

I didn't mind him but he definitely seemed like an odd fit for the show and you could tell they had no long-term plans.

I don't think any of the long-lost kids or relatives stories on Knots ever really clicked and some of the plotlines were so confusing (Peter wasn't actually Greg's brother, right?)