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Loving/The City Discussion Thread

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2 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

If the actors had ever left at the same time it might have helped, but they probably should have just had Tucker break up with Dinah Lee and leave, reconciling with Trisha offcamera.

The actress is the fearsome and ferocious BarBara Luna, who played Maria Roberts, the mother-in-law from hell.

It always seems to come down to actors not syncing their departures. I was just so confused as to why the show thought Trisha leaving with her kidnapper/stalker was the best exit. Although I think she returned a few times after.

2 minutes ago, Khan said:

"Mother-in-law from hell" is almost too nice of a description for Maria, lol.

I'm intrigued to do a deep dive into Maria.

Thank you both!

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Clint Ritchie from OLTL did not stop groaning about Barbara Luna til the day he died, lol. (He could certainly be no picnic himself)

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15 hours ago, CrazySexyQ said:

I'm intrigued to do a deep dive into Maria.

As angry as Viki could be with Dorian or even Echo, I don't think anyone provoked her to such blind rage as did Maria Roberts. There were times when it looked as if Viki could have strangled Maria with her bare hands, and she wouldn't have needed any of her alters to help her either, lol.

15 hours ago, Vee said:

Clint Ritchie from OLTL did not stop groaning about Barbara Luna til the day he died, lol.

Of course, this is all conjecture on my part, but I've wondered whether his animosity toward her had anything at all to do with her eventual fate. Granted, Maria was written as cray from day one, but there does come a point in her run when you feel like TPTB have abandoned all pretense of her being a complex woman and long-term antagonist to Clint and Viki and just decide to make her full-tilt crazy so they can write her off the show.

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On 3/20/2026 at 5:56 AM, DRW50 said:

There's some footage from about 11 to 14 minutes. I think the Ava and Alex scenes may already be around, but a few snippets are new to me. Most notably a promo for Steve and Trisha's wedding, which looks gorgeous. If there's footage out there of their wedding, I had forgotten about it.

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Just tagging people because there are a number of other soap clips in here too (AW, OLTL, ATWT), and I didn't want to put it everywhere. Most of these clips are probably already around but I am never sure (especially with ATWT).

Thank you for the tag!! It's always great to see more of Trisha and Loving in general. This puts me in the mood for some 80s OLTL too.

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6 hours ago, EricMontreal22 said:

Your tag brought me back! Great to see.

Always nice to see you on here.

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55 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Another new (to me anyway) Loving promo.

I have a tough time believing Stacey ever actually loved Tony.

1984 ABC promo Loving

Tony was handsome, no doubt, but in this case, both ladies were slumming.

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I saw a cute throwback scene between Cooper and Janey (where Gwen seems to think he's abusing her lol). She was a breath of fresh air and it was nice to see a young, Black female character. I know she never reached the importance of Steffi and Ally but she had potential. The writers shouldn't have killed her off. Janey could've gone to The City instead of Steffi who ended up leaving anyway.

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May 1990 Jackie Babbin takes over as EP. That's Felicia Minei Behr with her.They must have had high hopes that she would be the one to give Loving a boost after her success at AMC. But not so. How long did she last? What were some of her changes in story and cast?

I'm pretty sure she instigated the 'Who Killed Rick Alden?' story as she liked a good murder mystery.

L-R: JACQUELINE BABBIN;FELICIA MINEI BEHR


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Maybe - maybe - if Agnes Nixon had had Wisner Washam or Lorraine Broderick to take over at some point as HW, LOVING might have turned around. But that's a big maybe, lol.

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7 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

I'm pretty sure she instigated the 'Who Killed Rick Alden?' story as she liked a good murder mystery.

Which was a lazy, damaging story.

Was she the one who recast Jack and Isabelle, got rid of Cabot and brought back Shana?

2 hours ago, Khan said:

Maybe - maybe - if Agnes Nixon had had Wisner Washam or Lorraine Broderick to take over at some point as HW, LOVING might have turned around. But that's a big maybe, lol.

I don't think it would have mattered but I would be fascinated seeing their output.

I think Loving's very murky first years were impossible to escape from, even if the show found some touchstones for viewers through Ava, Trisha and Stacey.

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On 3/21/2026 at 7:41 PM, CrazySexyQ said:

It always seems to come down to actors not syncing their departures. I was just so confused as to why the show thought Trisha leaving with her kidnapper/stalker was the best exit. Although I think she returned a few times after.

I always assumed the Jeff / Trisha 1993 exit was intended to build natural conflict when Trisha would return to Corinth. Of course, that day never came and it felt odd. The dramatic value of Trisha having amnesia, falling in love with a "reformed" Jeff, and then having to deal not only with the life she left behind, but the lies Jeff told her was probably the reason they went that route.

I don't really love this era, but some episodes from 1989 popped up:

On 4/21/2026 at 10:22 PM, CrazySexyQ said:

I saw a cute throwback scene between Cooper and Janey (where Gwen seems to think he's abusing her lol). She was a breath of fresh air and it was nice to see a young, Black female character. I know she never reached the importance of Steffi and Ally but she had potential. The writers shouldn't have killed her off. Janey could've gone to The City instead of Steffi who ended up leaving anyway.

Janey was great and, I suspect, an unfortunate victim of the crossover from Agnes Nixon to Laurie McCarhty and Addie Walsh. For years, I have heard that the original (or one of the original) plans for Ava was to make her biracial. Janey seemed to be Agnes Nixon's attempt to make that version of the Erica/Ava mold happen. I thought that Janey was a well integrated character in a time when a lot of characters were islanded in stories. She seemed to just flow through stories. I love when she claimed she was Clay's daughter for a hot minute.

10 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

May 1990 Jackie Babbin takes over as EP. That's Felicia Minei Behr with her.They must have had high hopes that she would be the one to give Loving a boost after her success at AMC. But not so. How long did she last? What were some of her changes in story and cast?

I'm pretty sure she instigated the 'Who Killed Rick Alden?' story as she liked a good murder mystery.

Babbin was pretty blunt in her Loving interviews. She took the job as a favor to Agnes Nixon and was only staying one year, which is what she did. On air, Fran Sears takes over in July, 1991. In her interviews, Babbin was pretty clear about her dislike of the show she inherited. Said it was nothing more than a Dynasty clone and that it needed its own identity.

Under Babbin, a large number of the cast were cut. Wesley Addy's Cabot dies. Augusta Dabney's Isabelle leaves Corinth for Palm Springs. Stan Albers' Curtis is sent to Iraq. Perry Stephens is dumped and replaced by Christopher Cass. She also wrote out Egypt and Alex Masters.

She brought on a lot of character actors in bit parts. I remember there was a district attorney who was fairly well known. Harvey Fierstein played a hypnotist. Ilene Kristen was on as Norma.

Class distinctions started to be present again. Shana was broughtback. Carly Rescott was introduced. Patrick and Rose Donovan were back occassionally for the first time in years.

Storywise, you had Trisha lose Trucker's baby and the adoption of little Tommy, which led to the blackmail scheme of Monty and his subsequent murder mystery. Carly was hiding that she had Paul's baby in high school. Dane was manipulating an amnesiac Shana after Jim and Jimmy died. Cabot died and there was in fighting over the family fortune. Kate and Louie married. Rio and Rocky (nearly?) married to prevent Rio's deporation. Alex and Egypt's daughter Alexis had a medical crisis. There are probably other stories, but I don't recall.

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Based on the promos included with the episodes, the first upload seems to be consecutive episodes from March 20-23, 1989. The second upload is either Friday, March 24, or sometime between March 27-29. I'm leaning towards it being the Monday episode, since it would be logical to debut the new opening sequence at the start of the week.

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