Jump to content

Y&R: Who Should Replace LML, When The Time Comes?


Recommended Posts

  • Members

No, having people on the writing teams that actually understand and respect soaps would help stories have a higher quality. Cutting a show down to a half-hour isn't gonna make a damn bit of difference "">>>

This part is true but the shows still need to be cut down to 1/2 hour. There's too much time to fill so therefore way too much stuffing for all the hour shows. It's been a problem ever since it happened years ago. It's the reason Agnes & Bill Bell resisted and Claire Labine still complains about the problem. A problem is a problem even if other issues are involved.

Change is going to come. But the doomsday scenario will also come- falling dice of soaps being cancelled.

I don't agree that these particular writers are hacks however there are definitely some hacks currently writing some soaps. I will refrain from naming them.

I don't think it's a miracle cure to hire some specific fix of writer- young people, or writers from prime time, or book writers, or whatever. What's needed is people who can actually write and have really good ideas. I like Lynn's stories. I see some people don't. I've seen some horrendous messed up soaps after some prime time writers were hired (ATWT in particular years ago.) Gloria Monty tried to fix GH years ago but so many people complained about what she did the network never gave her a chance to get the new vision in gear. The show has been a disaster ever since, pretty much.

I don't think the shows need to "copy" styles from other countries. I said they need to grow up like the British soaps. If you watched the British soaps you'd know what I mean.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 248
  • Created
  • Last Reply
  • Members

All I know is that the ratings were falling before LML came and and they haven't fallen anymore..in fact she raised them a few times so she isn't going anywhere anytime soon. And this claim about ex ABC veiwers is just an opinion with no basis to back it up. I'm sure there are people who jump from soap to soap...that has always been the case even before LML took over. I doubt that millions of people came over to Y&R because their favorite actors/or actresses came over...if that's the case all of the CBS soaps would have maintained their viewership as all of them over the past years have gotten actors from other soaps. I highly doubt David Chow ,Karen, or Jacks's campaign manager is the reason the ratings are up and if their fans followed them over to Y&R, I'm sure they have tuned out by now since for the most part they are nothing more than supporting characters.

Secondly, LML isn't perfect but I haven't seen a wirter who is..there is alwasy going to be something wrong with any show that I watch that I think could have been done better.

Thirdly, I don't think Ann should or anyone else should be criticized for still liking the show. If you don't like it then that's fine but don't say she must work the network just because she's enjoying the show and you're not.

Lastly, I do think that someone esle should be brought in has Executive Procucer because I don't think one person should have so much control...when LML was just headwriter the show was better but now it's not as good as it was when she first became headwriter.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Unfortunately, Lynn Marie Latham is probably not going anywhere.

CBS have decided to take after the ABC/NBC style, most likely in order to attract the viewers who disappear from NBC when DAYS is cancelled in 2009.

CBS needed someone who could make Y&R more appealing to ABC/NBC viewers, and by doing so they think they can have a chance of dominating Daytime completely from 2009 and defeat ABC completely.

They found Lynn Marie Latham to pe perfect for this task, so she is probably sitting safe, even if the ratings for Y&R start declining again.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

What I meant is that since this February ended, the ratings have been declining consistantly. Thats most of the year--so far. They saw spikes for Nick and Dru's deaths, but after the stunt is over the viewers leave. It should also be noted that Dru's death got a bigger jump than Nick.

I strongly believe Dru's death is the major reason for the ratings drop. People underestimate the power of Y&R's black viewers. Why do you think they were sending tapes to New Orleans after Katrina? Why do you think Victoria Rowell's book (and book tour) has been such a success? She is a HUGE character with black viewers. With her gone, we didn't even get to see Neil (or Devon grieve) and the writing in general has been crap for them.

Another reason for the ratings drop is that Feb wrapped up the Reliquary and Carmen/Dru stories. The new stories Latham has launched have been poorly recieved on various message boards, so I'm sure that speaks for the home viewers as well. This is the first year Latham and her team have been able to completely control the show. Thats why the writing is so inconsistant day-to-day, pacing is terrible, there is no dramatic impact, character development, etc.

Viewers don't leave for no reason, especially when you consider how high they were getting. Once Bill Bell's team left along with the rumored ghost writer, it's exposed all of Latham's flaws. Had she maintained an integrated writing staff Y&R could still be pretty decent.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Seriously, this does make sense. NBC is leaving the Soap business completely in 2009. Then we have ABC and CBS left. The Network Executives over at CBS have of course discussed this future situation, and I think that their strategy is to try to lure over the NBC/ABC viewers to CBS and then dominate Daytime.

That is why they made Lynn Marie Latham headwriter in the first place. She runs their errands and she is changing Y&R in order to attract the viewers who leave NBC in 2009.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

^Y&R never needed the NBC/ABC crowd to begin with. It was already the #1 soap and ahead of it's nearest competitors by over two million viewers. Also, CBS is already the #1 network when it comes to the daytime arena, thanks mainly to TPIR, Y&R, and B&B. Also, if written properly and showcasing its veteran cast, ATWT can and has shown that it can rival GH for that #3 spot.

Also, if you look at Days fans in general, the non-NBC soaps that they're most likely to watch is either Y&R or GH anyway.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

This does NOT surprise me. Even though I am one who believes story is principle over politics, there are lots of black people who watch Y&R for Dru. I don't see a lot of those viewers(who liked Victoria Rowell or liked having A-A characters on the show) sticking around, especially once it sets in that Dru ain't coming back.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Well as a black person who comes from a family who grew up on Y&R, most of us still watch the show and those that don't stopped watching years ago. It had nothing to do with Dru leaving. My friend Beverly and her sisters still watch the show blacks...in fact outside of this message board, all of the black people that I know who were watching it before Dru left are still watching. It's a common misconception that most people watch the show for one set of characters or character when the percentage of those who watch for one character is so small that it wouldn't have a significant impact on ratings especially not now. And from the looks of it it seems that a lot of people on this board still watch it even after being so critical of it which is what I don't get. When something doesn't entertain me I tune out. I have tuned out on Y&R before (and not because Dru left the first time or when Malcolm left) but because the show was boring to me. I use television as a form of entertainment and not torture so if and when Y&R becomes unwatchable to me then I'll stop and you wont' see me posting about the show criticizing it either because I will have no reason to criticize something I'm not watching.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Trivia time (off-topic a bit):

Did you know that Eleanor Labine graduated from Yale University? Her husband Thomas Mancusi is vice president of V.T. Mancusi Inc., a stockbrokerage in Lawrence, L.I., of which his father is president.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

A small number of fans are complaining on the Internet does not represent the Y&R fans as a whole. Right now despite all the bellyaching about Y&R being down the tubes, the ratings have been consistent for the last 3 weeks. The only way that network does anything is if the ratings decline to unacceptable levels and they aren't there yet.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I feel that when the ratings dropped from a 4.5 or 4.6 to a 4.0, it maybe bigger than just a small group of internet fans. Amd also, if it wasn't for a particular day of the week, whatever it is, Y&R would have dropped under a 4.0. 2 weeks ago it was Wed., then last week I think it was Monday. And, if the show is doing so well well, why is it that on Friday, Cliffhanger day, that they get their lowest rating?

This woman has just about ruined this show, IMO. I see what you are saying, I just look at it differently. Y&R is crashing and burning, and now, the few times I do tune in, it's just to see what hackneed plot point she is pushing for that day. Not that week, that day. Because her stories literally change from day to day, if they are focused on at all. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.



  • Recent Posts

    • Dear God in Heaven (/KatherineChancellor), maybe blazer is the wrong word - I’m just saying André needs to wear baggy clothes or larger sizes cause he’s a short king and the sizes they’ve chosen for him make him look smaller and shorter than necessary  

      Please register in order to view this content

      btw he’s not even that young, must be around Martin’s age…
    • I think she left before Justin. I remember someone saying her last scene is dancing with Ross at the ball, telling him she's leaving to be with Ben.
    • What a wonderful photo! It really is a shame that Peacock will not show those early years. I know I'd love to see them!
    • With the death of Days and GH actress, Denise Alexander, someone posted this in the Days thread, a '60s-era photo of some of the cast, which lists the names. In the upper left, is a young Susan Flannery, who obviously ended up playing Stephanie Forrester on B&B, who was one of a few actresses to play Dr. Laura Horton [mother to Mike and Jennifer Horton] on Days. Here is a link to the photo: https://boards.soapoperanetwork.com/topic/38014-days-behind-the-scenes-articlesphotos/?do=findComment&comment=2022200  
    • https://parade.com/news/days-of-our-lives-star-susan-seaforth-hayes-pays-heartfelt-tribute-to-denise-alexander-a-friend-to-treasure

      Please register in order to view this content

    • Sorry, there must have been a error, while creating the file. I redone it and it has audio
    • Tamara Tunie was on a local CBS affiliate in Baltimore the other day talking about a few things she had going on, BTG amongst them: "Beyond the Gates" star Tamara Tunie is in Baltimore for the Reginald F. Lewis Museum's 20th anniversary
    • Kobe/Long had their own template and pretty much gutted the cast. As soon as contracts were up established characters were dropped. They needed to free the budget for the new characters. Going back to Ann,I wonder why the Dobsons renewed her contract around 78? After her initial story she became supporting and they didn't seem to want to pursue a romance with Mike. Maybe the feedback was that viewers blamed her indirectly for Leslie's death. If Mike hadn't taken on her case etc. Did she decide not to disrupt her son's life? Seems odd after everything she didn't claim him back. 1976 continues... Joe Werner is just not bouncing back after his recovery as he should, and Sarah, concerned about his sometimes morbid-seeming depression, consults Justin Marler. They agree that Joe is becoming a “cardiac cripple,” and know this kind of overcompensation for illness and overprecaution can not only be a permanently depressed condition but can actually cause a setback for him physically.  Marler releases Joe into Sarah’s care, but it’s soon apparent that just being out of the hospital hasn’t done anything to boost Joe’s spirits about his return to a normal existence. Marler finally lays it out to Joe—the choice has to be his. He can choose to lead a normal, productive life as a doctor and as a husband to the best wife he could have, or he can choose to become an invalid and live on the outside looking in for the rest of his days, sentencing Sarah to the same fate. Realizing the selfishness of what he’s doing to —Sarah as well as the narrowness of the confinement he’s set for himself, Joe begins to see his preoccupation with his illness as the self-pity it really is and decides he’s ready to return to the hospital for a one hour shift each day. Sarah is overjoyed by his turnabout, but full happiness is hers on the day she overhears Joe telling a fearful patient that the world is beautiful and worth any. effort to get back into it. Steve and Adam are thrilled to learn that Cedars has been the recipient of the Levy Grant for expansion of hospital property. But they have learned, as they report to Ed, that the land they were hoping to build the new research facility on, the land immediately adjacent to the hospital, has been purchased by Dr. Justin Marler. Both Adam and Steve feel that Justin is expanding a power base at Cedars and the land purchase is just one more block in Justin’s power play. When Ed asks Marler why he purchased this particular parcel of land, Marler explains that he bought it with the express intention of someday building his own offices and facilities convenient to the major facilities of Cedars. When the subject of the hospital’s needing the land arises, Marler meets with Adam, and they agree that he should realize a fair profit from his property and that an unbiased assessor should be engaged to evaluate the market value of the land so they can agree on a selling price. When Sarah comments on the fact that Marler is to realize a profit on the land, he bitterly replies that no matter what he’s done since coming to Cedars to prove that he has changed. since she last knew him, she refuses to see him as anything but what he was all those years ago. Sarah insists this isn’t true. But Marler then calls Adam for a meeting and informs him that the land is not for sale at any price. As Adam begins to grow alarmed, Marler continues that the site for the new building will be his personal donation to the hospital. As Adam expresses profuse thanks and appreciation, Marler wryly notes that the tax deductions he’ll realize on this contribution to a charitable institution will benefit himself almost as much as Cedars. When Steve Jackson learns that Marler is to be elected head of the research wing that will be built on his property, he expresses the conviction that this was the exact intention of the gift. Adam, however, assures Steve that the donation wasn’t a factor in the hospital  board’s decision, they were concerned only with Dr. Marler’s reputation as a doctor. | After lengthy consultations and meetings. with the hospital  staff, Ed assured by the head nurse that her nurses performed commendably despite the added pressure of the train wreck, presents his findings to the hospital review board. Steve arrives at two possible explanations for the facts. Either Grainger, more active than usual due to the previously delayed medication, reached for the writing pad and inadvertently disconnected the breathing tubes, or he was in a state of extreme upset because of the delayed medication and.in the excitement a surge of adrenalin within his system caused his brain aneurism to start hemorrhaging. " Upon learning that the review board has ruled out negligence in Grainger’s death, Ed tells Rita, who takes her first free breath in a long time. But Ed hasn’t thought to tell Rita that he’s been in touch with Grainger’s attorney, Mr. Schafer, who, knowing that a woman was at the base of Grainger’s investigation, is coming to Springfield to try to find out who the woman - was who walked out on Grainger when he collapsed —in the restaurant. Peggy, learning that Rita’s “forgetting” to deliver Holly’s message was instrumental in their divorce ‘being finalized, tells Ed that Holly wanted to reach him to stop the divorce. Immediately after, Peggy is torn by doubts, wondering if she did the right thing.She confides in Barbara, who then discusses the situation with Ed. He tells her he and Holly have discovered a new closeness now that they are building their separate lives. Barbara quickly contradicts him: Holly is not building a new life. Barbara gently cautions Ed, saying, “People change, feelings change, and what seems right now may not be right a year from now. No decision is irrevocable.” Ed agrees with this. Now that Ben has declared his love for her, Hope finds herself apprehensive, fearing that she might be making a mistake, as she did a few years ago, when she was sure she was in love with her college professor. Explaining that she doesn’t want to make another mistake, she asks Ben to be patient, and he agrees. When Mike expresses his disapproval of Ben’s overstated independence, his need to be beholden to no one, Hope quickly jumps to Ben’s defense, and Mike apologizes. But Ben, surprisingly, accepts Mike’s assessment as constructive criticism. Later Hope, examining her feelings and desires, tells Ben she does love him and wants to belong to him. Later that evening, after they’ve made love, Ben asks Hope to marry him.And, delighted, she replies that she will. At Hope’s instigation, Bert has a family dinner to which Ben is invited, and Hope announces their intention to marry over glasses of wine. Mike politely offers best wishes while Bert thrills the couple with her offer to' make a Christmas wedding for them. Bert later tells Mike he must accept this engagement with good spirits for Hope, and later, seeing the joy she’s feeling, he gives his daughter his approval. But Ben finds another problem on his very own doorstep: his brother Jerry, who announces he’s left home after several bad fights with their parents. He refuses to tell Ben what they were fighting about. As Ben is showering, Jerry borrows his car and goes out for an hour. The phone rings, but Ben can’t hear it. Shortly after, two uniformed officers visit Mike at home to tell him that his late wife’s car has been involved in a delicatessen robbery earlier in the evening. Since Ben bought Leslie’s car, Mike accompanies the officers to Ben’s apartment. Ben curtly informs the police that he had nothing to do with the robbery and makes it clear that he feels they wouldn’t be there if he didn’t have a record and that his exoneration doesn’t prevent his being hassled like any ex-con,as they tell him he has to go to the police station for questioning. Hope tells Ben she called him earlier, and when he replies that he must have been in the shower, she accepts his word unhesitatingly.Jerry finally returns to Ben’s place and under questioning from Ben admits that he robbed the store,explaining that he has debts. Ben is now in a quandary,as he feels he must protect his brother but doesn’t want to be unfair to Hope. He tries to ease the situation by withdrawing $185 from the joint checking account he opened with Hope and repaying the delicatessen owner. He then sends Jerry out of town to stay with a friend. His relief at having solved the problem is short-lived, however, when Mike informs him that, despite the reparations, the robbery was a felony and the police will continue to investigate. Hope is badly upset to learn while making a deposit that Ben withdrew’a sum which Mike tells her is equal to the amount stolen. This shakes her belief that he _was really home when she called, and she goes to him, asking for an answer to put her mind at rest. Ben can’t betray Jerry and asks Hope to trust him, promising she will have the whole story eventually. But Hope can’t accept this; she needs complete honesty and openness in her relationship and without it cannot goon. She painfully tells her father that the wedding is off despite her love for Ben, and tells Bert to stop preparations. Mike goes to Ben, reminding him that half the money in the account is Hope’s and she has the right to an answer. But Ben won’t say any more and refuses Mike’s offer to represent him legally, again stating that he doesn’t need a lawyer, because he’s done nothing wrong.     
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy