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Thank you @BoldRestless and @DRW50 for sharing these 1980 episodes. 1979 and 1980 episodes that feature Roger/Holly storylines are ones I look forward to because they set in motion everything we saw a decade later. This is early in Douglas Marland run and he hasn't missed a beat from where the Dobsons left off, at least based on the episodes I've seen from 1979 and 1980. From the 1980s ratings thread we saw that the Potter/Marland era held its own against pop culture phenomenon General Hospital but the cynic in me can't help but think that it was CBS's highest-rated soap only because Y&R was a mess from it's expansion until the first half of 1982. Remember prior to the expansion Y&R was challenging General Hospital for #1 but then the expansion, time slot changes, EP change, cast changes derailed all its momentum. Also notice Marland 1982 departure overlaps w/ Y&R getting back on track.

In the daytime, The Price is Right and Wheel of Fortune were time slot rivals and I'm pretty sure The Price is Right was killing Wheel of Fortune.

Two storylines from the Dobson era that impacted GL until the end were Roger/Holly and intro of the Spauldings. Its too bad so little of the Dobson era has surfaced. I haven't seen any 1976 episodes and AFAIK only two 1977 episodes and a partial 1978 episode have surfaced. 1979 and 1980 have a few episodes out there.

Do GL fans consider Potter/Dobsons 1976-1980 to be another golden era on the level of Potter/Marland 1980-1982 and Calhoun/Long/Curlee 1989-1991?

CBS approached Bill Bell in 1977 about creating a second show for the daytime lineup but as well all know Bill Bell wouldn't have a second show ready until 10 years later. The only soap schedule change CBS made in 1977 was expanding Guiding Light to 1 hr. If Bill Bell had a second show ready in 1977, would Guiding Light expansion have been delayed or would Love of Life have ended?

As of September 8, 1986, the only syndicated show that mattered was Oprah. I am 99% sure Oprah clobbered everything from when the show went national until the end of the decade.

April 25, 1977 All My Children expands to 1 hr. ABC new daytime schedule (ET) starting w/ soaps until the end of the day 12:30 pm Ryan's Hope, 1 pm All My Children, 2 pm $20,000 Pyramid; 2:30 pm One Life to Live, 3:15 pm General Hospital, 4 pm The Edge of Night. New soap time slot rivalry As the World Turns vs. All My Children vs. Days ABC next and final soap expansions were One Life to Live to 1 hr and General Hospital to 1 hr on January 16, 1978. Guiding Light going strong, it's expansion to 1 hr a little over 6 months away.

If my math is correct, we can divide Days first three decades or so into three pivotal eras and two transition eras: Bill Bell years 1966-1973 Post-Bill Bell/pre-supercouple 1973-1982 Supercouple era 1983-1990 Post-supercouple/pre-Reilly 1990-1992 Reilly years 1993-1997

Jordan arc much like Cameron return gave me bad Lifetime movie energy.

I think it is too.

100% this. Murder, She Wrote was CBS's rare bright spot in that third place primetime mess era. After carrying CBS primetime on her back for the better part of a decade, Angela deserved so much better at the end than what she got. There's a special place in hell for Les Moonves for the way he treated Angela and for his comment about her years later.

Five month run, NBC reacted w/ the quickness. As we saw earlier in the thread, the replacement For Richer, For Poorer didn't fare any better and that had a 9 month run.

The daytime schedule (ET) starting w/ soaps until the end of the day was CBS: 11:30 am Love of Live, noon Y&R, 12:30 pm Search for Tomorrow, 1 pm Local programming, 1:30 pm As the World Turns, 2:30 pm Guiding Light, 3 pm All in the Family reruns, 3:30 pm Match Game, 4 pm Tattletales ABC: 12:30 pm Ryan's Hope, 1 pm All My Children, 1:30 pm Family Feud, 2 pm $20,000 Pyramid; 2:30 pm One Life to Live, 3:15 pm General Hospital, 4 pm The Edge of Night NBC: 12:30 pm Lovers and Friends, 1 pm Local programming, 1:30 pm Days, 2:30 pm The Doctors, 3 pm Another World, 4 pm The Gong Show So the soap time slot rivalries were Search for Tomorrow vs. Ryan's Hope vs. Lovers and Friends As the World Turns vs. Days Guiding Light vs. One Life to Live vs. The Doctors One Life to Live/General Hospital vs. Another World

Started going off the rails in season 7 and it was fully cemented as off the rails in season 8, plus budget mode kicked in. Season 8 was a chore to get through. Most ruined show in SOD Best/Worst of 1989 issue. I'm sure you've seen the write up. Then again 1988/89 was an awful season not just for the primetime soaps, but I think for primetime in general. I chalk that up to after effects of the writer's strike and changing times. It was an awful storyline and also ruined all the progress the characters had made during the course of the series. There's only one primetime soap female named Cookie that matters, and she was some 25 years away 🤣 Did you change your mind about season 9 on a rewatch? For me it was too dark and too sad and I found it painful to watch.

Summer 2022, but I can't find a video of it anywhere. To think Greg Rikaart has been employed nearly 21 years and Joshua Morrow has been employed for nearly 30 years. Scott Jr. was an adult in 2005 when Lauren and Michael got married. At that point, we hadn't seen Scott Jr. on screen for over a decade.

@soapfan770 @YRfan23 No talk of CBS daytime promos is complete w/o a mention of

Among Gail Kobe, Joe Willmore, JFP, Michael Laibson, Paul Rauch, John Conboy, Ellen Wheeler, which was the lesser of seven evils?

Hahaha, yes.

Yet Ellen Wheeler was EP for some 5 1/2 years. Of all the EPs GL had in its final 25 years, Ellen Wheeler had the second longest run after Paul Rauch (6 years).

I will forever maintain that Robert Calhoun laid all the groundwork but JFP got all the credit. It disappoints me that the ratings didn't improve during Robert Calhoun's run. JFP first year got the ratings up but there's also the factors of ABC's big three tanking at various times during that year, and Days being a mess in that post-supercouple/pre-Reilly era. Now that we have 1980s and early 1990s ratings data, it seems to me that the real issues w/ GL began when Douglas Marland departed in 1982. Yes, that first year of Gail Kobe/Pamela Long got the ratings back up, but it was too much chasing 1980s trends which wasn't sustainable and that was reflected in the ratings from Fall 1984 onward. Summer 1992 departures of Kimberley Simms, Sherry Stringfield, Beverlee McKinsey w/in weeks of each other left a huge void in the canvas. January 1993 departure of Ellen Parker was the beginning of the end. I figured Kimberley and Sherry departures as finish initial contract, move on to other things while still relatively young. Beverlee was a shock I didn't expect. I didn't see Ellen departure in real time but the reasons behind it have been talked about in this thread.

Thank you @soapfan770 and happy holidays to you as well 🤗 🎅 🎄

By the time of OJ, Another World had already been limping along for like 15 years, but that's neither here nor there for this thread. The P&G 1995 EP switch damaged all three shows and they never really recovered from that. GL entered cancel territory in 1995 and it looked like 1996 would be the end.

Lets keep it real here, the P&G shows were effectively over in the aftermath of OJ.

A year earlier both Beverlee McKinsey and Victoria Wyndham lost Lead Actress to their co-star Laurie Heineman. I think there was some controversy over that win too and I wonder if that was the reason the supporting categories were introduced the following year. IMO the younger categories were introduced in 1985 in response to the controversy over Judi Evans supporting win in 1984 (she wasn't even 20 years old and had been on GL for only one year at the time).

@ChickenNuggetz92 Thank you for your all your hard work in putting everything together and happy holidays 🤗🎄🎅