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That is stunt casting totally up MAB's alley.

Amelia Heinle has been employed for almost 17 years. She's another one we're stuck with until Y&R ends. To think some soap names thrown around in 2005 for Victoria were Sarah Brown and Christie Clark.

A common soap element is a mother favoring one son over the other. That element also has a biblical allusion (Rebecca/Jacob/Esau). Which soap storylines of mothers favoring one son over the other are the favorites of this board? Bill Bell used this element several times, the two big ones being Vanessa favoring Lance over Lucas and Stephanie favoring Ridge over Thorne. To a lesser extent there was Cora favoring Matt over Victor, as Cora kept Matt and placed Victor in an orphanage. I don't think Liz and her relationships with Snapper and Greg apply here, and I don't count Mary and Paul as Mary's relationships with her other sons Todd and Steve were not really explored.

I can't believe Joshua Morrow has been employed for nearly 28 years. Bill Bell really tried to make him happen in his first three years but it didn't work. That's why we're stuck w/ JM until Y&R ends.

It was rumored in 2007 that Y&R was going to recast Nick w/ Galen Gering if JM's contract negotiations fell through, as Galen had been spotted at CBS Television City around that time. Also the Victor/Adam 2007 storyline was to accommodate EB filming a movie. I remember a scene where Jack mentioned something along the lines of "Victor's gone to parts unknown, making a movie or whatever".

Super early to announce this I know, but March Madness break is Thursday March 17 and Friday March 18. Things are so bad I'm counting down already.

I interpret legacy heroine as an adult female born on-screen. For current Y&R that means Victoria (1982), Chloe (1990), Lily (1995), Abby (2000).

Inconsistent SORASing really messed up subsequent generations and the natural evolutions of the feuds.

Everyone is killing me here 🤣

@Paul Raven Sadly, I can see that scenario playing out.

Could Days eventually dig into the vaults and upload the Bill Bell years on their YT channel? It would be interesting to see actors that were later on Y&R/B&B and spot any Bill Bell elements from Y&R/B&B on Days.

Jealous scheming vixen sister of the kind-hearted heroine and they fight over a guy. Not that much different from Lorie Brooks.

We're 14 months away from the 50th anniversary and there's still nothing exciting happening to lead up to it. At least after the lull in the first half of 1997, the second half of that year built up to an excellent 25th anniversary in 1998.

Remember that Jackson family biopic from the 1990s? I don't think much of Janet's story was featured in it, that biopic seemed to focus more on the brothers.

Drake's collab w/ a Toronto group, taking the chorus from 2Pac's Temptations and Zapp's Computer Love.

Agree, Jaime Lyn Bauer was made for primetime soaps. I'm actually surprised CBS didn't try to keep JLB in the family after she left Y&R and get her casted on one of their big three primetime soaps. Can we think of a role that she could've done well as?

Kelly Patel from Empire.

Y&R Victor and B&B Stephanie.

Straight up hot garbage.

We hold Bill Bell to a higher standard, but even he had missteps: several stories during the 1980-1982 transition era, Cricket eating the show from summer 1986 to the end of 1989, Nick/Sharon eating the show from fall 1994 to spring 1996, the lull of fall 1996 through the first half of 1997. Since John Abbott was killed off, it's been one misstep after another.

Grand Hotel with grapes. At least Grand Hotel had Miami heat (pun not intended), but I didn't get that from Promised Land.

Yes, once Bill Bell established Victor's back story of the orphanage and his becoming a self-made man. When mysterious wealthy businessman Victor was introduced as the show's new villain, he was initially drawn to Lorie, the vixen daughter of the main upper class family. I can't remember if Bill Bell ever explored that Victor's relationship failures might have been due to his not having his mother around for most of his childhood. Nikki was introduced as the troublemaking younger sister of the new doctor in town. That's how she ended up involved in a modeling agency that was a front for prostitution, joining a cult, and climbing the pole. Then came the My Fair Lady story with Victor and the rest is history.

Also both were part of the classic soap element sisters fighting over a guy. Brad E. was drawn to Leslie but pursued by Lorie. Brad C. married both Traci and Ashley. Bill Bell reused Lorie's parentage and Leslie's emotional breakdown for Ashley, and Peggy's involvement with her college professor for Traci. Let's break down Victor's love interests from 1980-1999, which ones would you classify as needy? The wives - Julia, Nikki, Leanna (not legal), Ashley, Hope, Diane The flings - Cassandra, Jill, Ramona The one that got away - Lorie The one that might have been but never was - Christine (yeah, I said it)

Ratings: ABC's 'Promised Land' Has a Very Unpromising Debut (thewrap.com)

Season finale tonight.