Gray Bunny

She has Juan... and you know Andy (and Mr. Darby!) likes that. I agree she offers very little, but she's a decent supporting housewife who has long ties to the Potomac OG's from years before the show began.

Ratings Update: Potomac cracked just over a million viewers on Sunday, with no Atlanta lead-in. Small victories! Also, last week, NYC was inching up, just 100K less than Beverly Hills (1.4m vs. 1.5m), which is dropping. IMO, if ratings reflected quality, it'd be NYC #1, Potomac #2, BH a distant 3rd.

Re: NYC I actually didn't have a problem with Bethenny freaking out on LuAnn. She brought up a lot of valid points, and you could tell the likes of Sonja, Ramona, Dorinda, and Tinsley were all in agreement with Bethenny's points. Was it a tad over-the-top? Well yeah, especially in a public restaurant. That's Housewives for ya Overall, I loved this episode. Lots of fun and drama. LOL at Ramona surprised that Tinsley's on a date. "I'd rather be out on a date too than with you women." ... elsewhere, interesting to see Barbara's rose colored glasses regarding LuAnn have been lifted up. Her mini-meltdown to Bethenny was a tad out of left-field, but I guess it's because we don't get as much of her viewpoint as a "friend of." Yikes, Barbara without any makeup.... Oh my... I wonder why they're pushing the last 2 episodes (and I assume the reunion eps too?) to Thursdays now? Isn't that kind of a dead night for Bravo shows? P.S. With NYC and BH coming up on reunions in the next few weeks, who's coming back next? OC? Dallas? I haven't heard anything regarding OC in quite a while.

I don't see why Luann or Ramona would be on the chopping block unless they are trying a new angle for RHONY altogether. But we saw what happened in season 5 when they uprooted half the cast. LuAnn and Ramona are the two that have been there since day one without ever leaving and they still provide fun, fresh material. To me the RHONY as it's mainly been since season 7 is nowhere near the tired played out dreck that became of New Jersey by season 5 with three years in a row of Caroline-Jacqueline-Teresa-Melissa-Kathy.

Sounds awesome! My hubby actually wanted us to go (and the hubster is NOT even a LuAnn fan!) a couple weeks ago when she appeared in Milwaukee but it was too last-minute. Perhaps in November when she comes to Chicago. Judging from Instagram and trips taken together, I think Ramona and Jill have patched things up. It was disappointing that her presence at the tree lighting ceremony was such a non-factor. Agreed @Cat having Jill on this Miami trip would've been blockbuster. I am SO entertained by their trip. The place they're staying at is gorgeous, Ramona was up to her usual antics of explaining all her outfits to the hired help as they helped her unpack, Sonja was blitzed out of her mind right off the bat, and Dorinda was about to catch up. I thought it was a tad ill-timed for Bethenny to storm into Lu's room and lay into her about her Cabaret behavior. But, I guess she was piggy-backing off of what Drunk Sonja and Slowly-Turning Dorinda were saying. LOL at poor Tinsley always getting the leftovers as the "baby" of the group. I finally love her. What's funny is that she can speak honestly about people (i.e. LuAnn's behavior) yet it doesn't get validated because nobody acknowledges what she says. I loved Ramona lightly dissing Barbara and rolled my eyes at Barbara acting all sour about it. Sorry, but I'm Team Ramona on this one. Babs is kind of a buzzkill. Not Cindy Barshop bad, but meh... This trip is the kind of messy fun that I love and I can't wait for next week. This is gonna go down as one of the best trips, IMO. Yesss!! Forgot to add that to @Antoyne 's comment. And what a perfect view in the pool as the sun set over Miami.

Love. It. 86 years young and still as fabulous as ever

Agreed 100% Just their everyday goofball, zany, bickering is good enough for me. Another night of laughs on last night's eppy. I loved how Ramona and Bethenny bonded and opened up about their abusive childhood upbringings. It's pretty amazing that in their 10+ years of interaction, they've never really dived into that subject together. Those scenes juxtaposed with Luann, Tinsley, and Sonja over at that sad cabaret act was so perfect. Ramona was borderline about to short-circuit with memories of her mom and family, but she held it together and I appreciated Bethenny listening to her, instead of brushing her off. Sonja was drunk the whole evening and next week she gets fall-down messy boots, but I can't wait. That bickering between Dorinda and Ramona at the end of the episode was classic Dorinda and Ramona, but what had me rolling was at the end, when they BOTH diverted their ire towards Sonja when they deduced that she's the one who started it all with her pot-stirring. Hilarious!

Eli in boxer-briefs... lol

Re: Potomac. I don't get the Katie love at all. Seeing her back reminds me of what I hated in Potomac's first season. There's just something that irks me to no end. It's like the lights are on but nobody's home but she left a mannequin at the window to make it seem like someone is. I'd rather we have Charrissee's sloppy ass as a "friend of" because her motives are clear as day. I was surprised at how they built up the Michael drama and then it left us hanging at the end with uncertainty, and next week's previews barely touched upon it. Weird. The New Orleans drama looks messy good though. Re: NYC Interesting to hear they've shortened the season and are dropping a lot of footage. NYC is fortunate enough to be interesting on its own, just watching the women in their daily lives without all the manufactured drama or endless group dinner parties. Whereas some (ATL, BH, OC) could use trimming and others (NJ, Potomac) benefit from shortened seasons, NYC is one I feel could be stretched without it getting stale. I guess we'll see how it shapes up :::shrug:::

Agreed. I watched GH during 2012-2013 when the "Llanview 3" came over, and from then on until around the Spring of 2013, show was really popping (admittedly, I was a sucker for all the OLTL cameos & references, as well as the Port Charles vampire throwback, references to Loving, etc.). His first year at DAYS improved the show, but there was still something lacking; something extra to make it really shine and it never achieved it.

I understand not wanting to attend a day of attacks, but in the end, LVP's got the upper hand. A lie detector test to boot. The expression on Erika's face on WWHL at the clip was a visual version of reading of Trump's reaction to Mueller ("This is the end of my presidency. I'm f#cked"). Mind you, Erika isn't even the offender here -- that goes to Teddi, Dorit, and Kyle (and let's face it, Rinna was relishing in this before it went bad for her side). The fans are on LVP's side. The truth is on her side. Yeah, she'll get barked at (no pun intended) all day long, but in the end, no bites. They tried (again) and failed (again). Lisa Vanderpump will be exhausted at the end of the reunion day, but vindicated and can leave RHOBH on a high note, leaving the bitter hags to figure out who they'll attack next season, and how they will possibly make the show interesting without the Queen. Dorit and Teddi just need to go. I can't stand Teddi and I've never warmed to Dorito. What I find most irritating about BH this season, especially when you compare it to NYC and Potomac (my 2 current faves!!), is that the women are just so damn immature. Like, seeing even the likes of Camille etc. doing Twitter back 'n forth petty arguments, it's like, good grief, y'all are 50+ years old and look like total clowns in these public arguments. It's just not a cute look on them. NY and Potomac are giving me everything I need in these Housewives shows right now. Amidst the drama and arguing, there is so much laughing. Sonja is the comic MVP this season, Tinsley is finally coming into her own with this group (I loved her sideways unders against LuAnn last night when LuAnn and Bethenny started their argument), Ramona is her usual funny self without being too rude, LuAnn's getting too big for her britches but it's funny watching the other women react to her, Dorinda has softened from last year's low... it's just a good, fun, enjoyable season of NYC, IMO. Meanwhile, Potomac has evolved into this must-see show and I can't wait to see the Ashley/Michael chaos play out. EDIT: Hubby & I were surprised at how much we actually enjoyed Porsha's baby special for ATL. We thought it'd be boring or uneventful, but it was actually quite fun. I'll always give her side-eye for the Kandi/drugging lie, but she has rebounded into a funny gal with a half-brain, which is a half-brain more than I ever thought she had.

I laughed when they flashed back to "one minute ago" of their air-kiss greeting LOL

I'm one and a half eppys behind on NYC. Now I'm intrigued. And didn't y'all say something sad happens at the end of last week's show? I liked the Potomac premiere. It's nice and fresh. I like how they began filming within weeks of the reunion show. I pretty much echo what everyone says. Monique the mom-to-be again was fab as always, Candiace had a very real and awkward moment with her mother (which I appreciate her bringing up on camera, even though the mama clearly didn't want to go there with the cameras rolling), The Grande Dame's hair is on point, I guess I'm happy for Robyn & Juan (but is Juan truly happy...?), and Ashley & Michael's foreplay scene reeked of damage control. Hell, they probably filmed that scene long after the butt-grab lawsuit.

That is such a wonderful example to use. Bravo. The real Betty or Meredith Baxter's Betty?

Thanks for the playlist. I love all these secret playlists in Youtubeland since whoever in charge at Sony has been yanking DAYS clips down from Youtube for years now.

I wished the same for the Hortons. You know, it's tragic real-life moments that should serve as a re-set for a show that's lost its way with their tentpole families. Same could be done with Y&R's Neil currently. Similarly, I felt the same for GL when they celebrated their 70th anniversary in January 2007 with their special episode that reimagined their radio days and early black & white years; perfect opportunity to boost the Bauers back into relevancy.

Yes @jam6242 is correct, I think the stroke was in December '95. Off the top of my head, I can't remember if the Horton family was shown during that holiday season. I specifically remember the bulk of Salemites in Aremid that Christmas, with John giving that sad lil girl something to smile about

Yaaass!! So glad they revamped their opening. The taglines are mostly good. I would've thought they'd keep Ashley at the end. https://people.com/tv/real-housewives-of-potomac-season-4-taglines/ This whole post is made of win. LOL

Yeah, Brook Lynn Hytes definitely. And I can see Nina West slide into the top 3 inconspicuously. Agreed that Miss Vanjie is good for entertainment and commentary, but as a drag queen, so basic and unpolished. How many times must she wear a leotard? Side note: She was in town last weekend and I saw her performances online --- it was bad. She's lucky she has the personality to keep people entertained. I feel for Evie and her medical condition and hope she goes far. Meanwhile, Rerun from What's Happening is another that can be funny, but also thinks way too much of herself and her looks are basic. Snatch Game was a disappointment. Rerun Silky should've gone with an Oprah or Monique instead. Nina's was the best. It's rare when a queen chooses someone obscure to impersonate and it goes well. Jinkx Monsoon's Little Edie was the best.

In all honesty though, this is a bad crop of queens this year. I can only see one as a definite top 3; the rest I don't really have a stake in either way. When half the cast don't know anything about Mariah Carey, you know it's a bad year. I loved that Ru had the entire group lip sync for their lives because their performances "honoring" Mariah was atrocious.

Agreed. I also agree with Cat that Erika does have likable qualities too, but she's believing her own hype. The fact that Rinna and housewives from other cities have a boner for her is obnoxious too. And yes, those cold angered outbursts are weird. It's like she gets triggered over a simple remark and goes after them like a dog in attack mode.

Amen. And in the meantime, I need more Grande Dame in those Potomac promos! Mmhmm... Erika would be nothing and nowhere without Daddy Warbucks' checkbook. Agreed on Portia, surprisingly. She gave me the giggles for all three parts. And her on-the-spot prayer was pretty solid. Ditto @Faulkner on LOLing at “Nooo. Not Claire’s. They closed” I actually don't mind Eva. I don't know if I necessarily understand her house-hopping, but I don't really care that much to question it. She's got a house, which is more than we could say about Sheree for years. Tanya is okay but she comes off as a little too thirsty/wannabe to me. Shamari's only highlight was watching her and Kandi as two lil' hens cackling on the end of the couch. Otherwise, bye... Then there's Nene..... yeah, she's got the star power and is the biggest face on the show, but geez, she vacuums all the air out of every room she walks into.

At this point, I wish there was a law preventing someone over the age of 70 to run in a presidential election or [re-election].

Me too, Lois, me too (no pun intended...) Camille came off unhinged in last night's episode. I get she's been a victim of terrible lies in the press, but she can't put herself in the same category as Christine Blasey Ford. In order for me to maintain my overall appreciation for Miss Donatacci Grammer, I'm going to chalk it up to pre-wedding emotions mixed with overly inebriated. Kim AND Kathy at the same restaurant as the RHOBH ladies was funny. I *guess* I'll take it as an actual coincidence and not producer set-up since neither woman was mic'ed up. I actually liked Rinna last night, in scenes with her family unit. Her goofiness and interaction with her mom is endearing. I still don't think much of her daughters, though. Enjoy those birthday parties with your friends instead of your aging grandma; I'm sure she'll last another year... LVP continues to be interesting all on her own...

She was never really *that* great. She uses cheap put-downs usually about fashion, someone's looks, or slut-shaming. What was with Nene's ugly comment about thirsty Tanya never owning a peach, and having a peach in Nene's p*ssy? I forget the context, but it was weird.