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The great Catherine O'Hara has died. What a fúckin' decade.

I think it would've gone very differently if not for GR flaming out again.

I'm not sure Tony and Pat on OLTL flopped at the time, tbh. But Reinholt nuked his career.

If it's the one I'm thinking of it is immortalized in my sig (from a post by a Beth Ehlers superfan who raged about our criticism of her).

I thought Genie and Drake had real chemistry at DAYS from what I've seen. I have no idea how you fumble that. I thought the idea of Taylor, a right-wing war vet who would clash with people re: Iraq/Afghanistan was right up the Agnes Nixon alley. It's the kind of story she'd tell. It was a solid character sketch and Beth was right for it. The problem, as ever at ABCD in that period, was pushing hard with a star hire from another network and trying to force her and Ricky Paull Goldin together down our throats. No one was here for it and BE sure didn't help herself with her own commentary on JR Martinez. Goldin also had more chemistry with Chrishell Stause's Amanda, a core character people liked. They liked Brot too. In the end Amanda and Jake lasted, and so did Brot. And of course Khan has noted what happened to Taylor. But by the time they pivoted to try to make Taylor into Tad's latest doomed non-Dixie love interest it was all over but the flushing. As I've said before, if we dump everyone who is quietly right-wing on daytime from the rolls it's gonna be a pretty drafty set of studios, unfortunately. As long as they keep it out of my face I'm good at this point.

I would re-Chandler Skye if she ever appeared again. No explanation. I wouldn't go into it. I don't care. An underdiscussed insult re: Rae was how when she was 'killed off' in early 2004 (in a harrowing, well-done series of scenes where Matt Ashford's Music Box Killer tormented and terrorized her in his secret dungeon for a week before dressing her up like his flower child mother to finish her off) they later teased in the soap press that one of the MBK's victims would make a triumphant return at the conclusion of the story. The MBK's first really prominent victim had been, of course, Fiona Hutchison's beloved Gabrielle Medina. She was found murdered on New Year's 2004, her body lying by a ladies' room toilet. This was widely reviled among fans and everyone hoped and prayed we'd see Gabrielle return as the surviving victim. Cut to the conclusion of the story: It's Rae! Good news everyone, Rae is alive! Rescued from the MBK's prison just in time to hammily harangue him in his final standoff with the police. The audience was beyond infuriated. And then she went off to a HEA with John Bolger. Until turning up briefly on GH (I think?) to confirm Tracy's news about her being the biggest lying whore on the Port Charles waterfront, and de-Qing Skye. Good riddance.

I think Sarah did well with what she was given as Claudia, which fluctuated wildly. One week Claudia would be an irredeemable villain, the next she would be having goofy chemistry test comic follies with Jason and Spinelli, or sexing it up with Nikolas, Ric, etc. Then she'd be trying to make her marriage to Sonny real. It was all over the map and annoying. But had they locked in (and had she not allegedly clashed with the creative team) I think she could've lasted longer. She worked hard and made a real impression as the character; Claudia is still remembered, unlike most latter-day rivals to Sonny and Jason. Still, I would've always disposed of Claudia in short order to bring Sarah back as Carly. I still would. I had no idea until recently they allegedly tried to get her back in the role for at least a short period when Tamara quit in '05. Tom Pelphrey's ATWT character is definitely in the Hall of Fame, but Rae may be the queen. Both mortifying. And poor Melissa Archer.

tbqh I am convinced any 'fans' she has are just old Tess loyalists from 20 years ago off OLTL. The Claudette story was wildly unpopular. I barely watched in the Passanante/Altman years, and that story is just one reason why. I have always wanted GH to bring on Gabriel lol. That's a fertile character for the cop shop/WSB, and you can cast a hot British man of color.

I don't remember any. I think they were winging it.

I was admittedly presold for SJB, but I really liked Madison when I came back to DAYS with that umpteenth reboot. I thought the writing in that business story/romance early on there was unusually adult for the modern show and you're right, she did have real chemistry with Eric. Of course it fell apart and Dena Higley and co. announced their triumphant return the following summer by slaughtering her, hurling Jack down the elevator shaft, etc. Ho hum. I have no idea what the Ian Buchanan story was about. I have defended McPherson/Thomas a lot on the early stuff (and re: the former's work on AMC 2.0) but if they really thought that character was going to work as a successor to Stefano they were dreaming. I've revisited some of it on occasion since, but all I remember about the Camille Hawkins mess on AMC is tuning back in to the show around the holidays as a teen and she made her debut floating above the trees like a ghost or something. I had grown up watching Dark Shadows in syndication but that was a new one on me for this show. I think this was the same holiday season where a tree or a mausoleum fell on crazy Dimitri. I had no clue WTF was going on. The next time I checked in on the show with any real regularity Camille was about to die, and then there was Dixie standing in the wreckage of Holidays moments after they wheeled her charred corpse out. The circle of life! Claudette Beaulieu from GH should be on this list. A much-hyped stunt casting of another of Frank Valentini's OLTL favorites, Bree Williamson. Claudette came on the show as a conspicuously French Canadian old flame of both Nathan West and Griffin Munro, two of the most inert and uninteresting characters on the show. (I'm pretty sure the French Canadian thing was only there because Frank, Ron Carlivati and co. got very horny over Ryan Paevey's flawless ability to speak French when he was first hired and used to make him do it all the time onscreen, though RC was gone by then.) Claudette was embroiled in a triangle with both deeply boring men and was also yet another unwelcome OLTL interloper. She of course brought with her the mutant hellspawn that still darkens our lives: Charlotte Cassadine. Charlotte was believed to be Claudette's child with either Nathan or Griffin at the time. Who cares? Not me. She was gone in I think less than six months, abducted by Valentin who it turned out was the real father of Charlotte, along with Lulu as her unwilling mother; Claudette was merely a surrogate. After all that hype the story was a huge dud, they kept claiming Claudette could come back, the door was open, etc. and repeatedly hinted at her return, was she dead or alive, etc. Eventually they had Jessica Tuck or someone tell us she was alive and had escaped Valentin a couple years later. No one cared. I'm surprised FV never tried to bring Claudette back again. Maybe Bree just kept saying no.

AA is green but has charisma. Charlotte is a character I simply don't have any interest in ever watching. That's the difference for me. They should cast a new Georgie, find another girl of color and play ball with them and the two boys (and yes, Finn is very good).

Yes, and thank God it went away.

I do think that's why. Frank has been holding out since Lulu woke up just to give that a shot, not that I think Dante and BLQ will ever be anything serious. He just keeps a lot of stuff in first position for AS above all. If it doesn't service his favorites it's not a priority. Charlotte the mutant will never be accepted by me, but trying to kludge her together with Danny also allows Frank to give JPS/Valentin another tie to the show. I think these kids have had a grand total of maybe 6 to 10 scenes together and now they're kissing. Spencer and Trina waited what, a year? Hopefully it'll fizzle out just like her and Jake during the strike.

What's off is they're barely writing for Lulu and when they are it's to handicap the character. Frank did not want to bring back Lulu or threaten Amanda Setton's place on the canvas and it shows.

Derek is losing his mind and I am here for it.

And which other currently-running soap are we preemptively writing the post-mortem for? Just this one? Okay. Likely? We said that about PSSNS for at least 20 years. Here we are. And if you're going to obsessively dog the show out week after week in the ratings threads, people are going to draw inference that you're just plain not happy that it exists in proximity to your favorite show and start forming their own conclusions. I'm sure we'll all find a way to cope with these posting patterns together.

Definitely not. Which is an obstacle in and of itself.

I don't think they have any intention of redeeming Drew.

Ah yes, the Logan Hayes topic. I liked Logan but Josh Duhon was apparently messy BTS, then they wanted to bring on Brandon Barash as Johnny, etc etc.

Yes, your posting history speaks for itself and has not gone unnoticed. With the exception of this smidge of posts you've been on its neck most weeks in the last year, breathlessly spinning against every weekly result. And now you're predicting its swift doom. Again: It's weird. But I actually don't think it's got anything to do with racism. I think you just don't plain like the presumption of any new soap existing on the network, putting on airs and getting a lot of attention next to your clear preferred favorite. Hey, whatever, we all have favorites; I loved OLTL. And I think BTG is far, far from flawless. But I'm sorry, claiming any show, anywhere, should take a page from The Bold and the Beautiful on diversity or representation is laughable. So maybe dial it back.

What's baffling to me is they threatened to do Martin/Tracy in like a fall or winter preview over a year ago (and I wasn't here for it then either, to be clear). Spent the last year having Martin do horrible, unforgivable things to Tracy and her family instead of building anything viable. And all of a sudden I'm now supposed to want them to throw caution to the wind and fúck during the snowstorm. Sorry, no! I'm good. But judging by the social media reaction to the idea I'm in a growing minority.

Another reason I'm not particularly interested in following their example. MVJ learned too much from how that show operates as is. It's unwatchable except to its hardcore.

It's 'mortem' but thank you for putting the show in the ground already, since it's obviously made you uncomfortable from the jump. Talking about the need for more Black romance is one thing but you've been at its throat manifesting its cancellation from the beginning. That's weird to me.

Could not be here for anything less than a Martin and Tracy romance.

By me! It's an analogy I've run into the ground. I do think Gail Carlson is great though, both earlier in her run and here.