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I think Franco was paid scale or even less. I doubt Gosling is interested, but if he was I assume it would be a similar situation.

That has been my constant wheeze for a while. Do Dillon and Georgie over again with Danny and wallflower Georgie where he's the daredevil who doesn't know she's alive at first, and meek Rocco with a wild girl (likely Asian or Black, be it the Asian Quarter, a Ward, etc.) where you think she's for Danny and then it goes left. It writes itself! Always has.

They've been wise to lean into using Finn Carr, who is very talented. The issue now is failing to give Rocco or Danny adequate stories of their own (and I don't count Danny being sprung for Valentin's test tube hellspawn). They need to recast Georgie and add another female, and play these kids for real in the summer.

I watched a bit of '04 after the hotel fire; I came back for Heather's return, but the story quickly got bad. I came back again in spring '05 before Tamara left to see A.J. and then to rubberneck at how very, very bad the show got. That year was a pure nadir where they were in clear crisis with so many stories, from Nikolas/Courtney to Reese to Michael's imaginary friend, even before Sonny/Emily began being built up which I saw coming from miles away. People didn't believe me until it was too late! It was bringing back Robin that saved the show, and I was locked in for a good while after that through the monkey virus, and off and on for the next several years. I never lost a whole year of GH but some of the later Guza II years definitely run together for me. Even when there were still often good scenes, characters, etc.

I definitely don't recall that. But I also wasn't watching a lot of '04 after the debacle of '03 and then the PC fire.

As long as Michael is well, I really don't care where Martin goes. Hell would be fine.

Jason should've easily been able to take Droopy Dog. This whole episode was wild. If Jason does get carted off to Steinmauer that is a hell of a break.

A wonderful gift for fans and for history., admittedly a bit somber for me as we know DAYS and Y&R remain under lock and key and I highly doubt ABC/Disney will ever commit to doing the same for what they have of their soaps, let along P&G/CBS. But who knows, this could be a key first step for future preservation.

It was never a retcon.

Not him going deep on Marlena and the two Bos!

As others have said elsewhere I seriously fear this damn baby will have some pointless connection to Sidwell or the larger umbrella and I just do not care. The absolute last thing this show needs is more babies. The only one that would interest me is if Willow somehow got knocked up by Chase, and even that doesn't need to be carried to term. Hopefully the baby is just a temp device to wreck the marriage, but it's still tedious to watch.

Willow, Michael and the Drew mess should be running full tilt. Hopefully with Steve out they'll get more time. Not with Michael's dayplayer. Agreed on Tracy.

I actually like Olivia a lot still, mostly my lasting fondness for Lisa Lo Cicero and some of Olivia's older stories, but most of what she does these days is annoying filler. I certainly don't need her of all people whining about Michael's sex life. I don't think the Qs overall are filler atm, but I do think a lot of the story surrounding them is stuck in stasis. First there is wtfever is going on with BLQ and this damn baby and them taking forever with Chase and Willow, then there's Michael stuck with this dayplayer hooker and now there's Steve Burton taking off for however long. So I think you have stuff that is just filling guarantees for awhile. Hopefully that will change. (I would also bring back Keesha along with a couple kids - for Jason lol. I might bring back Dillon down the road.)

I think they often would rake each other over the coals about the latest family sex (or murder) scandals, so that part is on brand tbf. But the whole idea of Olivia being the one to get it going, and these younger generations being involved doesn't really ring as true for me.

Clint Ritchie from OLTL did not stop groaning about Barbara Luna til the day he died, lol. (He could certainly be no picnic himself)

I mean I can see old Edward haranguing Michael a bit for getting openly involved with not one but two sex workers, lol. But this whole family intervention with Olivia of all people (who was sprung for Johnny Zacchara and Sonny before making Leo with Julian) is silly.

Again: I have no need to be passive on this board when I want to be aggressive lol. When have you or anyone here known me to be? You read this wrong and took a simple statement as a personal jab at you because my experience contradicted your opinion. I'm sorry you took it that way, but I'm not taking responsibility for how you're behaving to a simple comment about jeans of all things. I'm done with this in this thread, if you want me I'm not hiding. You know where to find me.

That's not really the issue, at least not IMO. Spencer's return would dominate a lot of story and character focus, both Trina and Emma would be inevitably impacted. And I just don't see a need to upset the current youth canvas in that way with the exception of removing Kai and adding some other characters, including a new Black male for Trina who could actually lead and be a viable rival for Spencer in future. They have to think in terms of how they thought of Jax vs. Sonny BITD if they want to move forward there. Of course that's if Frank's GH prioritized Black leads at all, which they do not. I would absolutely bring Spencer back someday, but I would wait. He's just too big a character and I would prefer to keep the focus on Gio/Emma and Trina and a new man for awhile as well as some other potential new people, returnees or recasts, possibly Cameron. Jake would be around but that'd be a different sphere as he's a bit younger. And then you have the actual teens (Danny, Rocco, Georgie, and another girl or boy).

Yeah, there's no need for that.

That's much more on Kai and the writing to me. They don't care about that story, the writing is poor and so is the actor in the role. And everything TA has been given since NAC exited has been either pretty meager or pretty bad, because they don't care about her either. Trina could still be leading, but they don't want her to and they've made that abundantly clear. Kai can't go soon enough for me.

'Anyone?' I don't! At all. We may sometimes get along and sometimes not, but you have been here long enough to know that if I have a problem with someone I will either just say it to their face or avoid them entirely. I don't need to play games at my big age on a soap opera message board. All I said, all I was saying and all I will say is I and lots of guys hook their thumbs into their jeans. That's it. I was not taking any shots at you or implying a thing. Best of luck with whatever you are going through, but this is not on me.

He sure did. I would sooner introduce an equally complex, scheming Black lead for Trina for now though and mix them up with Gio and Emma romantically, because I think Spencer is an overpowering character when he inevitably returns and I think they need to find a match for him before then. I haven't given a ton of thought to a return though it has to happen eventually. When it comes to that age range I am focused on the characters who are here (except Kai lol).

I think they have not recast Spencer mostly because a) they are fearful of blowback from a recast of NAC, b) FV really, really, really doesn't want to have to write for Sprina (which would've also drawn even more focus from Joss) and c) Frank also has little to no interest in showcasing Laura's family. I agree I don't think it's coming any time soon. Of course watch me be wrong and they recast him tomorrow.