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That interview was amazing, and it says so much about what gave Y&R its strong social roots. In the more recent 1983 uploads I’ve watched, Victor is going incognito to go find a standard job (as part of a bet with Douglas). But it is SO good in terms of the social commentary it provides about people in working-class society and the issues they face day-to-day. It’s an eye opener not just for Victor, but for a viewer like myself, as it helps us to empathise more with the plight of working class people. I would not be surprised if Lee Phillip herself actually pushed that storyline, because it is so informative. I also wanna know what the planned story for Nikki was before MTS got pregnant and everything had to change! I wonder if they kept any notes somewhere in their estate. Like I was saying earlier, the stuff with Andrea Evans as Patty was her prior to her reincarnation as outlandish Tina Lord, so it was a great reminder of what she was actually capable of as an actress. I’ve said it in another thread, but watching these clips in the vault, this is the first time I’ve seen Julia Newman. And I was captivated from the moment she came back into town in the 1982 clips to see Lorie. Meg Bennett is one hell of an actress, and I greatly admire the strong-willed, independent facets of what she brings to the role of Julia, so much so that the character is rapidly becoming one of my all-time favourites. Her stoushes with Nikki are hilarious, I completely agree. 1983 Nikki was all over the shop. Sometimes I watch more recent clips of Nikki on youtube just to compare what she was like back then against how she is today. I’ll also say that 1983 Nikki is worlds apart even from 1980 Nikki, and I wonder if that was the Victor effect at play. I have such a crush on Kevin 😊. Yes he and Nikki were Mr & Mrs Dimwit, but both Chris Holder and MTS brought such energy and realism to the story that you couldn’t help but get caught up. Funnily enough, I watched Chris Holder months ago in old Another World clips when he played the first Peter Love (he went to AW almost straight after leaving Y&R in 1984). Completely different character, but still somewhat sympathetic. I disagree to an extent about Brenda Dickson’s return. She still had many many elements of her 1973-1980 run and hadn’t completely metamorphosised into wannabe-Alexis at that point. The clips I’ve seen with BD’s Jill interacting with Jack, John, even Patty, show a very strong mix of insecurity and bitchiness, very similar to what Deborah Adair had towards the end of her run as Jill. I especially liked how she stood by John as he was telling the rest of the family what went down with Patty shooting Jack, and it was nice to see a united front. All in all, 1982-3 Y&R has been a treasure trove to watch thus far - and our mysterious benefactor is STILL uploading clips as we speak. So THANK YOU 🙏

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If/when you ever get a chance, look at some of AE’s post-1985 OLTL stuff on Youtube. There is a reason why she is considered by most to be the one and only Tina Clayton Lord despite the various 90s recasts of the role. And a far cry from how she played Patty on Y&R as well.

Just been watching more of the 1983 clips, and I am gonna go against the grain here somewhat - I actually like Andrea Evans playing Patty, especially seeing as she was the one playing the role when Patty shot Jack. Yes I also think Lilibet Stern would have done it just as much justice, but AE does it really well here. I have to remind myself a lot that this was prior to her return to OLTL, so we hadn’t yet seen the over-the-top stuff she would eventually do as Tina Lord. One thing I found captivating about the shooting episode was that I had a preconception in my head that it would be melodramatic with lots of screaming and wails and gnashing of teeth, etc. But the actual scene was almost the exact opposite - very understated by both her and Terry Lester, yet playing exactly the right beats, and AE conveyed that psychotic break chilledness exceptionally well before pulling the trigger. The scenes where they re-enacted the shooting to jog Patty’s memory were also well done. It’s been actually rather refreshing watching AE play something other than devious, and I’ve loved every moment of it.

That scene of Jack watching Cricket model was creepy as hell to watch. I was half expecting him to flop it out and fap off as she was in front of the camera. It was like “did you not learn ANYTHING from being shot by Patty?”

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I’ve been watching a lot of early 1980s Y&R recently, and it was the first time I had ever seen the character of Julia Newman, played of course by Meg Bennett. And I am absolutely enamoured by just how strong and independent she is (in fact she is fast becoming one of my all-time favourite characters). My question is about how MB played Liza Walton back in the 1970s. Was she written as strong-willed as Julia Newman was? It’s a shame that there aren’t any ideas around of Meg Bennett playing Liza.

I could honestly see Alex Donnelly and Stacy Haiduk matching each other up really well. If we really wanted to resurrect some old Y&R, bring back Michael Damian as well and restart the Diane/Jack/Patty/Danny quad (ok maybe I have been just a tiny bit inspired by the old Y&R clips in the vault). It’s a great use of old history. You see it in a January 1985 episode that’s on the vault. Basically Esther (at Kay’s behest) has blackmailed Jill for $10,000 re the picture. John won’t give it to her without a reason, so Jill goes to visit Liz at the Foster house, and tries to convince Liz to refinance the house.

I hope there is some way possible that it was a doppelgänger Diane who was murdered, and Alex Donnelly comes back one of these days. Especially if Patty came back as well.

Found this gem on Youtube. The only time Alex Donnelly’s Diane ever interacted with Phyllis. And it is *delicious*.

I’m sure I’m not alone in this, but 1983 Y&R was gothic AF.

Yes I have enjoyed watching those too, and other scenes showing the genuine friendship between Kay and Liz (despite Kay’s animosity towards Liz’s daughter).

OMG someone just uploaded the FULL Patty shoots Jack EPISODE into the vault!! ❤️❤️❤️

I went on a watching binge of the vault late last night, looking at some of the episodes I hadn’t managed to catch yet. And boy was it a goldmine. I watched the January 1985 episode, and the stuff you see in there with the benefit of hindsight is mesmerising. Victor had just acquired Mergeron, and Jack hightailed it to the ranch to confront Victor about it. Again the thing I love about Y&R is the psychological dialogue, and Victor was definitely reading Jack like a book, especially when he called Jack out on the real reason that Jack was upset - Jack had wanted to take over Mergeron for himself. You could sense that this is where some of the conflict between the two actually started. This was also around the time that Nikki had started doing some modelling for Jabot, and she had been called in to see Ashley and Joe Blair about setting up another photo shoot. But it was the conversation between Nikki and Ashley at the tail end of that scene that really caught my attention... As far as I know, this was pre-triangle, so Ashley and Victor had no involvement with each other at that point, but yet it was fascinating to watch Nikki attempt to pry some sort of information from Ashley (no idea what, exactly) while Ashley is confused as to what she is talking about, saying as much to herself after Nikki has left the room. I also watched the 1984 V&N wedding for the first time (I know, I’m a bad fan). It was unintentionally funny to watch Eve’s schemes fail one by one. But the thing that captured my attention the most in that episode was Lorie - that exchange and dance with Marc Mergeron - they should have done SO MUCH MORE with that! I would have also loved to see if anything went further with the project that Lorie mentioned to Ashley. Why oh why did they ever let go of Jaime Lyn Bauer? *tears hair out*

So the latest 1983 clip that was uploaded has a very striking scene in it... It cuts in at the Abbott dining room just after Jill has said a nasty remark to Traci causing her to storm off (John is apparently sick upstairs). And Ashley all of a sudden just lashes out at Jill - not over the top, but very controlled and almost menacing. You could see the pent-up rage in Ashley’s face. It is such a shame that the clips have cut out a large chunk of the Abbott storyline, because it seems riveting. Although, one more scene that was left in re the Abbotts had me wondering - Jill and Jack seem to be plotting against John about something, but it is not mentioned what exactly. Now Patty’s shooting Jack hasn’t happened yet, so I’m curious as to what is going on. Can anyone fill in any blanks here?

Yep, and we see the exact reason right there why Nikki hates Sharon’s guts so much - they’re actually so much alike in so many ways. Yes it is in the recent clips from 1983 that were uploaded to the vault. She certainly made a contribution, as did everybody in that scene.

Thank you for finding this. That kinda psychological based exploratory dialogue is what I love about soaps. Y&R did it beautifully for so many decades. And additionally, Erin Torpey is so cute as Jessica in those clips. She and Erika Slezak did mother and daughter so well.

I think as someone said earlier in this thread, it is literally the story of Dimwit & Dimwit.

Just catching up on the recent 1983 clips that were uploaded. Julia and Nikki’s chat at the penthouse = 😂😂😂. My god Nikki was almost possessive of Victor even back then. But Julia handled her like a pro. Although I have to ask - what was this “trip” all about that Julia and Victor are going on? Alison Bancroft is *evil* AF. And now I see how Rick Darros was introduced. Question = wasn’t Tony DiSalvo involved in one of Eve’s later schemes? I’m sure I’d seen his name mentioned in connection with her somewhere.

Absolutely. The big poll lead doesn’t mean people should get complacent. Everybody over there still needs to GOTV, regardless of the poll margin.

Your thinking on the media narrative is exactly what I’m thinking. I’m seeing a lot of hot-headedness from usually calm folk on Twitter calling for Biden to make his pick yesterday. Whilst polls can be wrong, etc etc, the polling averages right now are trending to a big margin nationwide for Biden over Trump, so he’s doing something right thus far. Beside, quite frankly if the US re-elects Trump after the s**tshow of the last four years, I’m sorry to say but they deserve everything that’s coming to them.

Why though? Obama didn’t pick Biden as his VP until late August in 2008, so why does Biden have to do it any earlier?

Oh Kevin that poor boy 💔