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They were both very flawed and troubled people. At times, Holly could be very unsympathetic, yet I loved her and strangely wanted the best for her. Regardless of the terrible treatment P&G gave Zas, I do think it's fitting Roger and Holly never got a happy ending. They were not that kind of couple, and someone once said they were the true definition of an anti-supercouple, and I love that. I loved watching the two of them move in and out of each other's obit at different times, but I always knew that whatever peace they found with one another was always going to be tentative, even if they loved one another deeply despite everything. I could go on forever, but those of us who witnessed the greatness of these two characters are so lucky. I don't think GL/P&G ever quite expected that this duo would ever be as popular and vital to the show as they were.

^^^Each year my love for those two characters just grows deeper and deeper. I don't think I'll ever enjoy a duo or dynamic between two soap characters as much I did with those two. Roger and Holly just touched a part of my soul that very few things in the entertainment world touch. It also helped that they were both deeply fascinating characters away from one another and were played by two superb (not to mention underrated) actors. Not surprisingly, my favourite eras of this show tend to have Roger/Holly as a main focus point. I always knew when I watched them as a kid that I was watching something very rare and magnificent. I really didn't realize how lucky I was back then, and re-watching clips on YouTube just reaffirms it to me. There will never be a dynamic or two characters like this on soaps ever again. They were truly one of a kind.

Slay:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I didn't realize she had a quote about sticking to the same formula, here it is since it goes back to a prior discussion about her:

I don't think she was ever going to veer too far off from what made her successful. At the end of the day, she's a contemporary torch singer, so she'll always stick to conventional ballads in her signature delivery style. She's not a Madonna/Beyonce-type artist who has to evolve and change direction on every record.

It's on course to break Nsync's 2000 record for first week album sales in the US as well, as confirmed by Billboard today: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6770264/adele-25-nsync-no-strings-attached-nielsen-soundscan-billboard-charts

HBS was my favorite Margo and I never thought the character was the same after she left and never thought Dolan was great for the role. Speaking of 1989, wasn't this the year Robert Calhoun left as EP to become EP of GL or was that in 1988? When exactly did he leave and when did Laurence Caso join? Granted Marland was still there so the change in EP's wasn't glaring, but I know some who thought the show lost something when Calhoun left. Calhoun was a terrific EP, and never gets the credit he richly deserves.

It seemed like a lot of their ATWT was a prototype for what became Santa Barbara. Their Tom and Margo also seem like an early draft for what became Mason and Julia.

He'll probably be back in a year anyway, I don't see any big Hollywood career for him.

I think you may be referring to this:

From what I've seen, the Tom King and Millee Taggart era didn't seem as bad as some make it out to be. Didn't they create Lucinda and ugh Lily? I think Marland inherited an alright show actually, and used many of the existing elements to his advantage when he took over.

Their second stint seemed a bit more well-received than their first, to me at least. However, Mary-Ellis-Bunim, the EP during their second stint, was controversial in her own right as well. It's amazing that they wrote GL and ATWT so differently, tonally at least. Granted, most of their GL stint pre-dated the ABC soap dominance in the late 70's/early 80's, while their ATWT stints didn't. I assume P&G was in panic during this time. ATWT also seemed to be targeted the worst during those dominant ABC daytime years - always cited as the most old-fashioned soap in the press.

Carl - they're doing a Back To Ours special with Lindsey Coulson and Natalie Cassidy (ugh) on Friday. Just letting you know as you may be interested.

HR was also a lot more believable to me as the spoiled daughter only Lucinda could have raised. I really thought Lily came into her own as a character during that time as well. HR brought a lot of complexity to the role I thought, and I dislike how some Byrne fans just totally dismiss her contributions to the part.

I prefer to only watch Lily when I could stand her - when Heather Rattray was in the role. She was so much better than Byrne ever was, and I hate how some have dismissed her as a failed recast, ugh, such revisionist history.

Just a random video of the EE cast wishing Corrie good luck on their live episode.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153642299829939&permPage=1

I used to call her Ghastley.