allmc2008

Was it always planned for Jill to be crazy?

On 3/28/2023 at 6:30 PM, slick jones said:

how lgbtqa+ activist and oitnb’s lea delaria stopped giving a f*ck and started changing the world

 

 

An article about OLTL SCENE STEALER and GAY RIGHTS ACTIVIST  Lea DeLaria. 

Full profile of her stage and screen can be found in Soap Hoppers.

A little gift for Women's History Month.

 

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Thanks. Oddly, my spiritual advisor who does readings for a living goes by Delfine

1 hour ago, yrfan1983 said:

Yep... Brenda Dickson... AND Deborah Adair! It was Deborah's Jill who had the initial romance and marriage with John Abbott. Deborah's Jill was there when Madame Mergeron revealed herself as Dina, and when Jack was shot.  Very foundational stuff for the character of Jill. 

EileenD mis-speaks when she says Ashley had the first abortion on daytime TV... Erica Kane had the first, in the 70s

It was Pat on AW in 1964

I'm amazed they mentioned Terry Lester.

On 1/4/2023 at 7:46 PM, j swift said:

Also, Adam was introduced with "Rebecca" inspired story of a relative in the attic, so he didn't need more women haunting his relationships and Skye #1 was such a dud that I'm certain they never thought she would last as long as she did, so she hardly needed a mother.

How the hell was that like Rebecca?

On 1/4/2023 at 3:29 PM, Vee said:

It's been a stressful few months IRL but I am finally getting back to Knots S6.

I still have a lot of questions about the apparent BTS turmoil over Empire Valley. It seems a lot of TPTB incoming and outgoing say the story 'got out of control' and either got changed or sped up or something. But it's clear the Peter Dunne, etc. team that leaves after this season already had a lot of very specific ideas about whatever this storyline is (a military conspiracy, etc).

I remember a few months ago when I watched those episodes. I called a friend who watched the whole show and I asked, "Why is the show going into x-files territory?" He replied, "Oh, Empire Valley".

I found it fascinating but oddly out of place. Didn't Garry blow it up with people still in the complex?

I'm finally at Seasom 9 episode 6.

The who-done-it somehow confused me to what Lotus Point is. What exactly is it? 

On 12/2/2022 at 5:40 PM, kalbir said:

Ashley feels like four separate characters.

ED 1982-88 original recipe Ashley was initially presented as confident and goal-oriented on track to a successful business career but became emotionally fragile in the aftermath of the parentage reveal. Ashley was a likeable character, but I didn't feel she was a clear-cut heroine in the vein of Chris Brooks and Leslie before her, and Caroline and Christine after her. Even though Ashley was the other woman in the eternal triangle and little Victoria called her the wicked witch that took her daddy away, you couldn't fully hate Ashley.

BE Ashley was a serviceable recast, but she was written more as a heroine to fit BE acting style and that didn't fit the character. BE looked too innocent and sweet to be believable as the other woman in the eternal triangle. I could not picture little Victoria calling BE Ashley the wicked witch that took her daddy away.

SS Ashley was unlikeable and boring, but the timing may have played a part too. Bill Bell seemed to have lost interest in the Abbotts when Y&R went off track from 1994-1997.

ED 1999 return was as though she never left but there was a coldness and hardness added to Ashley that wasn't there in her original run. That might have been due to Bill Bell no longer writing, or a change in ED acting style from her time on Days.

How was the show off track from 1994-1997?

On 9/5/2022 at 6:42 PM, antmunoz said:

The collector was given these episodes by Rosemary Prinz to convert from tape to DVD. I wonder if she knows he’s trying to profit from this. 
 

I’ve had the best people send me DVD copies of vintage soap stuff for free and I was always so appreciative and was willing to cover shipping costs, blank DVD costs, etc. Most refused to accept. There is a kindness to share among collectors. 
 

I’m just turned off by the business aspect here. I’d love to see all his stuff. I won’t buy it though. Maybe I’m alone in feeling this way. 

Who is the collector

5 hours ago, MissPalmer said:

Thank you! This episode is available to buy. A collector has it. Wonderful!

Who is the collector? Can you PM me?

On 7/17/2022 at 3:25 AM, will81 said:

. I think Bell must have been pretty annoyed by that. I wish Terry hadn't burned his bridges and had come back. 

That I doubt. Bill did love Sally. Sally wrote some kind of projection to him, when she was only a fan, and he liked it. I think it was the Dina story. But she did create the Fenmore family.

On 7/14/2022 at 2:37 AM, will81 said:

 

I have always loved the way Kay spoke about Bill Bell, she obviously had such respect and admiration and I feel the same was true for him about her too. 

 

She was always asked by industry people "how have you been able to tolerate such a monster for such long!"

She'd then say "what monster?"

Lots who worked for him did spread lies or exaggerate certain incidents. She was with them when they worked for him and she'd tell these people it wasn't true. He loved Sally Sussman and Elizabeth Horraway though.

He did have an ego and could be temperamental when others in the room criticised him. Remember, he worked with Irna. The last thing she said to him was "you will never be a success in this industry bc your life is too normal."

Kay said Lee said during the period he worked for her she'd keep him from early in the morning to late at night. He'd come home around dinner and Irna would call as they started to eat. He'd tell her but she wouldn't care. For HOURS Irna would berate him on how terrible he was and degrade and undermine his ability.

Yet, he always spoke nice about her.

On a side note she doesnt remember how Jim Riley got on the show or any contributions he made. But, she and him were great friends and he was fun to have around. She said Riley was a real raconteur who could tell you stories, and keep you engaged, at a bar for HOURS. She misses that.

Orson Bean who was Alley Mills' late husband was like that too, she said.

14 hours ago, Broderick said:

Yes, she has an incredible vocabulary.  But when she starts going fast, she begins forgetting names and dates, and she just barks out things that are completely wrong and says, "Umm, I think that's right, no, maybe it's not.  Well, anyway ..."  In her interview for the Television Academy, she came up with the wrong date for Y&R's expansion to an hour (1977 instead of 1980), and she couldn't come up with Lorie, Leslie, Chris and Peggy to save her life.  But she could remember every detail of her initial meeting with Bill Bell at his apartment on Lakeshore Drive.  She's obviously someone whose mind is filled with a tremendous amount of information, and she needs to look things up to get them exactly right.  

There was once a photograph of her office in the Chicago Tribune.  I cut it out and saved it, to remind me I needed to organize my own work space.  lol.  

She said Bill was hard at remembering dates and details with ATWT when they first met.

12 minutes ago, Broderick said:

Great stuff, and thanks for sharing, allmc2008!  I've listened to her long interview with the Academy of TV Sciences, and she's hard to pay attention to sometimes, with all that, "umm, umm, umm, ahh, I believe it was ..."  (You know what I mean.)  She comes across as fairly flighty and disorganized, but obviously that's not the case, since she was in many ways the "grounded person" on Bell's team, having to edit scripts, check continuity, make sure the actors were being utilized in accordance with their contract guarantees, etc.  

She sounds like a nice person and a hoot.  If she's still living where I think she lives, I hope her road eventually gets paved, lol.  

It hasn't been, no.

Her area looks disorganized but she knows where everything is.

Papers everywhere. Letters everywhere. Post-it notes everywhere. Looks cluttery but she knows where it all is.

She does use "uhhhm" a lot but she's strangely articulate. Everytime I call her I learn 4 new words that I never heard before. Her great articulation is mostly in the way she pounces her words. She's a master at raising her volume, stretching words, contracting words when needed. 

If you define Doc from "Back to the Future" as flighty, you will be right. There is a 'mad scientist' streak (in a good way) to her.

But, if you listen to Mel Blanc in an interview you can kinda hear all his characters at the same time. Being with Kay is the same, mostly with the female characters. You can sense a 'Victor Newman" in her when she is being harrased by bill collectors and scam artists on the phone. Or when she is angry about [someome].

One thing I did find funny is that she said from 1974 to the time she left Bold she hadn't had time to grocery shop. When she did grocery shop the first time, for the first time in 40 years, she was amazed by how much had changed. Like, produce having barcodes on them. Or how high-tech ot all is now. It's now her favourite thing in the world to do.

6 hours ago, will81 said:

One thing I'd really like to know - was Kay basically a co-headwriter starting in the 70's? I found an interview with her from around 1979 which calls her a HW of the show. I know we or I use Associate HW but was she functioning as a co-HW?

I know Bell said there was a point in time where he couldn't tell the difference between one of his scripts and one of Kay's

It was a quick rise to that position.

At some point in the 70s Bill went on vacay and on vacay his dad died. Between the start of the vacay and the end of the aftermath of his dad's death she was flying the solo. It was like 3 months or so. I think that was 1976.

She did work with Bill on certain things like researching the breast cancer story

Elizabeth Hollower was also more of an active writer. Bill and Kay loved her eccentricity and basically had her write the Kay/Jill scenes back in the 80s. I THINK she wrote the dream sequences (don't quote me on that).

But the hour expansion really did a number on all of them. It was so much work but it was just them two plus Jack Smith. Bill never got over loosening the original characters though.

46 minutes ago, Broderick said:

Really, we were speaking of the show's popularity in the mid to late 1970s, when they first hit #1, and the critics were gushing about how the show's "wildfire ratings success" was attributable to "boundary-pushing, innovative storylines".  The Joann Curtis/Kay Chancellor storyline was a reminder that some "boundaries" couldn't be pushed, even by an enormously popular show.  I would say the show's sustained trip to #1 in the late 1980s was more attributable to the collapse of the ABC shows, while one might argue that the show's peak of popularity in the 1970s was likewise  attributable to the ratings collapse of the P&G shows.  

 

Deferring to the person who's actually spoken with Miss Alden, but I'd say yes, she was.  Obviously Bell's ideas and vision were taking precedence, but Alden seemed to be a major contributor along the lines of what you'd now call a "co-head writer".  But remember that Bell's job titles sometimes existed in their own universe (like his show).  For instance, when she was first hired, I believe Alden's official title was "girl friday", lol.   

the 'girl friday' was true lol. She logged the fanmail and kept track of guarantees. He HATED clerical work -- he just wanted to be a writer.

One thing was that Bill sometimes had issues with not realizing if story could send off a bad message. She was there from the get-go to point things out to Bill if something could translate to the audience in a bad way.

As a human, Kay is great. She buys all her clothes at Walgreens. She's a bit like Esther as she's into healthy stuff and organic products and so-forth. She dramatic (and over the top) like Jill but she LOVES being with youth and loves helping others.

She even took on a homeless family due a few years, single mom and 3 school age kids. The youngest is special needs. She helped raise them for a while as the mom got her feet on the ground.

She actively stays in-tune with the current trends -- even music. She listens to ALL the latest recording artists and ALL genres. Same with TV shows. She thinks Shitz Creek is a perfect 'comedy soap'. She also likes South Park lol

But, yeah, she reads the various pop-culture mags and stuff to understand the youth. 

This was in an old folder of hers that was dedicated to Brock. This is one of like 30 pages of, what they called, "Brockisms". She and Elizabeth Hollower found and typed them. Sometimes they made them up. Kay's parents, also, sent her a devotional book (also in the file) for this.

She said his purpose became to be the moral compass of the show.

I talked to her about this a few nights ago. She said nobody knew if Brock had actually been 'redeemed'. She said it depended on the actor. Had it been someone like Terry Lester, Brock would have been faking his redemption.

20 hours ago, Broderick said:

I believe Daddy gave Lauralee a 3-month contract for the summer of 1985.  

The Kay/Chancellor/Joann Curtis was probably a "rude awakening" for Alden & Bell about their actual demos.  MUCH was written in the mid to late 1970s about Y&R being the most "progressive, innovative" soap on the air, and it supposedly had the youngest demographics in daytime TV.  But if you look at the detailed performance of the show during those peak years, you'll see that Y&R was performing strongest in the South and the Midwest, often losing its time slot in more urban markets such as NYC, Boston and Philadelphia.  The audience maybe wasn't as "progressive" as Bell and Alden had been led to believe.  Yes, everyone was titillated by Snapper taking off his shirt and by Nikki getting gonorrhea and by Kay Chancellor rolling around in the hay with the stable boy -- but let two women look each other in the eyes or touch other's hands tenderly, and that was just too much for the "progressive" audience who actually turned out not to be so "progressive" after all.  I've always felt that's when Bill Bell "retreated" just a bit and began telling more restrained storylines.  For a while it had appeared that Y&R could dictate a whole new set of ground rules for nudity, candid dialogue, and sexual situations on television -- but that illusion kind of crashed back to reality the day Kay touched Joann too earnestly.    

Kay did tell me that, yes, it was the Midwestern audience that reacted strongly. She gave me a lot of little fun stories about the earlier years that I should share. But, some of it is supposed to be hidden.

One thing she did say is that, early on, she was assigned to log fan mail. She confirmed that the people who thought the show was real weren't putting on an act. Something about the writing of the mail pieces showed clear mental illness.

She and Bell would, when she first started, spend half an hour or so outlining a script by having a piece of legal pad that was divided in 5 rows and 5 columns. They would fill in a row, after brainstorming for that half hour or so, and then she'd write a few acts and he'd write a few acts.

When Jack Smith came in 1979 they divided it in 3 ways.

When they knew there was going to be multiple episodes in a row that featured a hot climax one of them would dedicate to those scenes for all those episodes all at once as to know loose the flow of suspense/intrigue.

Regarding the Katherine/Joann story.

Kay Alden told me that she had a friend who worked for the show that functioned as a creative consultant of sorts. They used her to read current publications to keep a 'pulse' on the current times. She read a story in Cosmo regarding lesbianism and that is what led to Kay/Joann.

Alden told me that the studio called them as a specific scene happened. Basically, there was a 'meaningful glance' between the two and one of them touched the other on the shoulder. The studio said that they could see the ratings crash and burn on some device. In fact, they lost a great deal of viewers and they didn't return for several months. But after that call, they had to end it. They both agreed to never try to do that again -- largely due to the the chunks of horrible letters they got from the fans.

18 hours ago, Broderick said:

Genoa City's Young and Restless -- July 1973

Brad Eliot is a rather cool dude.  Every day, his presence affects the lives and loves of those around him in the mythical mid-American community of Genoa City.  He is a stranger in town, having arrived via an unorthodox set of circumstances.  

Brad Eliot was this Chicago physician, who had operated on his daughter.  She died.  He then took all his savings, hopped in his car, and skipped town.  But, alas, along the way he was mugged and robbed.  The culprit -- complete with the young doctor's money, car, and identification -- crashed the car off a cliff in his escape and is killed.  The doctor thought, "Aha! I'm dead now ... why tell anyone?"  So, he winds up in Genoa City, becomes the mysterious 'Brad Eliot' and is now working as an $85-per-week newspaper reporter.

This is the setting of "The Young and the Restless", CBS's relatively new (now in its fifth month) mid-day soap opera.  Its stars, along with the show's head writer, like to think of the program as something a bit more advanced than a typical "soap opera", however.  They candidly assert that the show may be a prototype for a future evening prime time serial.  

TOM HALLICK, who portrays Brad Eliot, somewhat jokingly refers to "The Young and the Restless" as a "cross between 'Run for Your Life', 'The Fugitive', and 'Sermonette'."  The program's biggest asset, says Hallick, "is the great writing.  Because of it, we can do this show and feel that it really works.  No doubt, this show is good enough for nighttime TV. "

The head writer is William J. Bell, a twenty-year veteran of daytime television writing, considered among the best in the business.  Bell, who also serves as chief scribe for NBC's popular "Days of Our Lives" series, says he's been "blessed with a great cast" for "The Young and the Restless".  And the story?  Well, Bell thinks it's great.  "Our plot allows for a broad base of characters.  The emphasis is on the young, and restless is an ageless word that evokes an almost ageless state of mind.  The show attains a great deal of involvement for our viewers."  

Interestingly, there really is a Genoa City, not too far from Chicago.  Genoa City, Wisconsin (population 1,084) is on the Illinois-Wisconsin state line, just minutes away from writer Bell's home in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin.  Bell admits that the program's mythical community is named after the real Genoa City, but in name only.  "I picture our Genoa City as a community of 300,000 to 400,000 people," Bell told me.  "In our story, you'd never want a town where all the people know each other."

The real Genoa City is a quiet little town whose inhabitants haven't really reacted dramatically to having their community's name used for a network, nationwide TV program.  The village clerk, Mrs. Lucile Berger, says "The Young and the Restless" does have a fair share of the audience in town.  "From what I hear," Mrs. Berger says, "the show is pretty good.  I don't get a chance to see it, though.  I have to work when it's on."  

As for the sex, sin, and seduction so evident in many daytime dramas, Mrs. Berger dismisses all that, as far as the real Genoa City is concerned.  "We have a peaceful little town here," she relates, "and about the only real excitement we have is sometimes on weekends the tourists who come up to the lakes around here will get a little rowdy.  And occasionally the young kids get a bit out of hand on the weekend.  You know, they can drink beer and liquor up here when they're eighteen."  

I wonder what newspaperman Brad Eliot would say about that ... 

And so where was this find?

Has this been posted? It's a video seminar WITH the Dobsons from a few months ago. 

2 hours ago, DemetriKane said:

Don't worry it does. 'Night' & 'China Dolls' are probably still in my top 10 episodes.

 

Me too!!! Season 4 is the season that hooked me. Ciji/Chip/Diana were a major part of that! I also always loved Claudia Lonow/Diana though. Pretty sure i was alone in that!

I mean, that is one was we differ LOL

I HATED CLAUDIA/DIANA. I usually don't hate characters, which is odd. I think it was the way she was played? Remember the actress who played "Annie" on the pilot? If she played Diana I would have loved it.

But I do remember feeling shew as on the way out when she got the haircut that made her look like a beaver with an afro..

off topic but why is 'afro' being flagged by spellcheck?

What did people think of her portyal? Was she still in-character here? Could it be imagined that Bev's Iris would come to that point? 

I'm a gaymer, yeah. I need to get Resident Evil 8 soon.

@SoapsudsI'm hoping to get a gaming PC just so I can play the Resident Evil 2 mod in which Leon is nude! Mostly, I've been playing the basics like Fallout 1 and 2. And various FPS games like Quake.

Did you play Duke Nukem Forever? I played 3d DAILY when I was a kid

11 hours ago, Tonksadora said:

I think it was Vee who said it. Don't be so shocked though, JFP found herself with diminishing power at the end of her tenure most places! At AW she'd lost power & HW Magaret de Priest had gained power before they showed her the door. The prelude to bye-bye was oh shut up.

Now I wonder how much of what I hated that happened on her shows was actually her doing.