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Thank you. And damn, he's such a DILF now.

16 hours ago, All My Shadows said:

I really wish I had more time to go crazy and speculate a million things about this new soap, but once summer is here, I expect to be obsessed.

Some random thoughts I've had...

- I love the fact that it's rumored to be replacing THE TALK. Get that outta here! Nothing would be sweeter than to see this new soap avenge the death of one of the old guard. Even if the random talk show survives this, I like the conversation centering around it being easily expendable in favor of a new soap.

- I hate "The Gates" as a title. If it's titled after a family, then I hate it EVEN MORE because unless their last name is just "Gate," the title should be "The Gateses," which sounds clunky. If it's a reference to a gated community, I still dislike it, and then I also dislike the premise of it being set in a gated community because no daily hour-long American daytime soap needs to be set in one neighborhood. For all of that, go UK and give us 3-4 half-hour eps a week.

- I know I'm alone in this and it's not gonna happen (and really shouldn't because this is 2024 and we are in modern times and not everything needs to have the grandmaw aesthetic as much as I wish it did), but give me a good old-fashioned syrupy soap title. "Behind Hidden Gates." "Through the Gates Unlocked." "

 

I'm pretty much with you on all of this. That said, the press release was just released and I'm sure that the title, if anything, will be replaced. It's probably just a working title. I'm also certain that there will be more than one location/neighborhood. I'm imagining that the area in reference to the current title will be positioned as like the castle on a hill overlooking the 'little people'. The rich area, though the main area, is the area everyone else aspires to be in (either physically there or at the same social-economic level). If anything, the prime family will probably have extended family that's poor. Like, the brother of the rich patriarch will be poor. Ala "Rich Man; Poor Man".

32 minutes ago, John said:

RUMORED: Steve Burton refused to play Jason Getting his Q Memories back and intergrating them into his life as Jason Morgan. If True, he can kiss my butt. Actors should never get to say no to story. If you dont wanna play, then dont come back. Plain & Simple

No exit. Just stopped appearing. In fact werent her and AJ still a couple?

Was that a recent rumor?

20 minutes ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

RonC says upfront not to take the show seriously. 

Scab writers are saying & doing everything seriously. 

Scab writers are hitting more dramatic beats, every day, with just about every character.

There's not nearly as much of this thing where it seems to be different times of day in Salem. 

Pace is better. Balance is somewhat better but still off. 

Dialog is about 80% better.

Showing the relationships between people is at least 110% better. 

Now, the show was even better than this when Ari/Nicole was carrying the show dramatically every day. 

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. @AbcNbc247  do you have anything to add? 

Thanks!

4 hours ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

Maybe to clarify ...

Albert Alarr did what some EPs do some of the time & that was to abuse their power & become de facto HWs. His doing so had zero to do with the strike. He was already doing it before the strike. Since he wasn't a writer he did not go out on strike & going by things where it's known if he did them, we know that he kept on doing so at least some during the strike.

But, also, scab writers definitely wrote the show during the strike. No one knows who. I tried, again, to find out just last week. No luck. We are still watching scab-written DAYS episodes. 

How would you rate DOOL now compared to Ron's work?

On 2/9/2024 at 3:10 PM, Lye-C said:

The primary function of broadcast television is to advertise to viewers. 

Oh, that's so debatable. Firstly, though, to sell to the viewers the viewers need to be committed. What makes them committed? Compelling story; weather it be a train wreck like Ron's work or a masterpiece like Clair's work. Ron sucked but he knew how to keep viewers glued.

The counter debate of your statement is that the creative team wants to express their creativity. They view the advertising model as a necessary evil.

But let's also remember that Charles Dickens, along with the other writers during the Victorian Era, were serial writers. Dickens is considered to be a brilliant writer, yet, the purpose of serials then was also to sell to the masses.

Further, early on, much of radio was self-funded. The original purpose of the FCC was to 'serve the public interest'.

Finally, let's be honest, all forms of entertainment that one pays for is a commodity. From the Broadway theater, to the movies, to streaming. Books, magazines, newspapers. They all exist to put money in someone else's pocket (again, the creative forces generally don't look at it that way but their managers do).

On 2/6/2024 at 9:53 AM, AmandainNC28655 said:

Hi there, Is there anywhere online I can stream or watch full episodes from the beginning or at least early 80's until the final episode of All My Children?

Archive.org has a lot

Who took over Ron during the strike?

Who took over Ron during the strike?

On 11/23/2023 at 4:35 PM, Paul Raven said:

Ummm, men allowing women to have careers ? 

Look at the initial years of the character dynamics I listed.

During the 70s, and before, many men didn't want their wives to have careers. Many made them leave their careers. Yeah, it wouldn't have been unheard of for a man to want his wife to stop practicing medicine.

It's in fact true that men, especially then, felt threatened by career women.

@j swiftAs far as me being in incel -- I idolize Lady Lovelace, Lillian Gilberth, Lillian Gish, Dee Dee Allen, Pauline Kael, June Havoc (along with many other women. I don't like idiots, man or woman. I don't like either men or women who feel either sex is better than one or worse than one. I hate men who feel masculinity, and being a man, is superior. And I hate women who subscribe to that ideal as well. Further, I hate the ideal that women are somehow better.

@Paul Raven and @j swift Don't you dare think I hold archaic views with women and careers. If I have them I wouldn't have studied soap opera for 16 years.

On 11/3/2023 at 2:11 AM, althea-davis said:

LOL I can't even take this post seriously. There is so much to unpack here.

It's simple.

Let me ask you this. Regarding Dorian/Victor. Suppose a male doctor who lost his license wormed his way into the life a wealthy woman with a heart condition and he cuts her pills down -- culminating to her having a heart attack and him just standing by with a grin on his face.

You and all the manic Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan worshipers would have a goddamn stroke yourself.

People get a thrill when they see women attacking, emotionally or physically, each other.

Example:

• Restless' Attic Fight with Kay and Jill

But never, ever when a man attacks a woman, emotionally or physically.

I never had, to be honest. But, still, lets not pretend that men against women violence is somehow a greater sin than women attacking women.

Women can be as cruel, emotionally abusive, corrupt, as men. Don't pretend that isn't so. And why the hell do you people always have to bring up the negative? Why not, say, create a post with the topic/headline being "Always surprised by progressive behavior between the sexes on soaps". Matt allowing Maggie to practice; Don allowing Marlena to Practice; Stuart Brooks encouraging his daugther, Leslie's, career aspirations; Adam being okay with his wives having careers.

But you wouldn't ever do that, would you? You simply want to remind all of us how evil men are, have always been, throghout the history of the world. I would go on about the equal menacing women throughout world history but, well, you will find shitty way of justifying their actions as I condemn the actions they, and men, have done.

PS: Your hero, Althea Davis, threw things at her men (you cheer though, I'm sure. Just as I'm sure you would cheer if a woman beat up a little boy but would protest if a man wagged his finger at a little girl for stealing a cookie).

1 hour ago, kalbir said:

Y&R's action/adventure storylines during the H. Wesley Kenney years (1982-1986). The police corruption/mob angles were tame in comparison to General Hospital and Days in that same era but action/adventure never really suited Y&R. I've often thought that adding action/adventure to Y&R was a CBS mandate to compete w/ General Hospital and Days.

Or as Kay Alden told me about those days "nobody told Bill Bell what to do".

She told me that Bill liked to go out of the box at times. He was inspired to do Brad-in-a-cage when he saw her daughter looking at Kay's then - newborn son thru his playpin. 

8 hours ago, althea-davis said:

There was some crazy stuff back in the day that they could never get away with now. But even now you have characters like Sonny Corinthos that are heralded as saviors of the town who called women whores and sluts and did horrible things to them, but he is considered fit for sainthood by the writers. For a genre that caters to women, the misogyny is rampant.

People evolve as grow over time. Two of my male cousins viewed women as only sex objects but matured due to a variety of circumstances.

On the other hand I was a nutty SJW feminist type but then I realized that most feminists have an asinine saints/sinners view point. You post is the literal definition, perfect example, of what I mean.

I'm sure you bitch about men and there "bro's before hoes" thing. Yet, women favor each other more than men. 

Sorry if it was mentioned but who is replacing Ron

On 7/18/2023 at 4:58 PM, dc11786 said:

Marland created "Loving" the way Nixon created "Search for Tomorrow." They were each the first headwriter. Nixon wrote the "Loving" bible. I suspect Dan Wakefield's original creator credit was he was going to be the show's first headwriter. Why Marland's credit was removed I don't know. Given Marland's penchant for spending money, I could definitely see him being bought out of the credit, but truthfully, she might just have removed it. 

@EricMontreal22 Do you know

On 7/7/2023 at 1:46 PM, Faulkner said:

Is there a great example of Dorothy Lyman’s Opal in a very serious, dramatic scene? I haven’t seen anything of hers where she wasn’t playing comedy. It’s a shame she wasn’t around for Jenny’s death. Did she only submit comedy for her two Emmy wins as Opal?

For a while her first week or so was up on YouTube.

Plenty of balance. She was hysterical when she banged on the Martin's door, hurting her hand, after criticising Jenny for doing it too softly. And pronouncing marijuana as Marriage-u-ana after learning that's why Tad was in jail.

But a few episodes later, when she was convincing the owner of Foxy's that Jenny was legal age, she slapped Jenny across the face when he went away for not cooperating.

1 hour ago, te. said:

Then change the warderobe? LOL, what an weird non-issue. 

41 minutes ago, Wendy said:

Irna Phillips sounded like she was...a bit unhinged, to put it kindly. Thank goodness no one listened to her as far as Alice Horton went.

It's Irna we are talking about. She fired Helen Wagner over the way she poured coffee.

Her issues with Frances, she detailed, was based on how she dressed

Irna said she didn't dress like a Midwestern homemaker

1 hour ago, robbwolff said:

Wow. That's fascinating that Irna wanted to kill off Alice Horton.  Did she have a plan for Tom after Alice's death? Thanks for sharing this!

She was hoping it would be like killing Kathy on GL in that it would open more story ideas. And she felt the actress was terrible and couldnt sell being a wife and mother.

UCLA sent me more stuff on Bill Bell's DOOL run. Early stuff as HW in 1966. He was HW when Ted was alive.

According to a letter from 1966 from Betty to Bill, Irna WAS a creative consultant! She even submitted projections when Bill was HW. She basically wrote alternatives to Bill's ideas and the Corday's weighed Irna and Bill's ideas and wrote tough drafts of their ideas infused (discarding things they liked while selecting plot points from either they did like).
Bill had then looked over the Corday's infusion and then wrote in what he felt.

Irna wanted to kill Alice Horton and Julie's parents -- that was discarded.

Ultimately, as Irna wrote the initial projection, Irna was in a way defacto co-hw. She helped guide the transition from her projections to Bill's story projections.

56 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

That's a very funny anecdote about the heart attack. I'd love to know if Jack kicking Victor's hand was in the script. I bet it was. PB was implying on the 50th Special that he came up with it on his own, but I'm certain it was Bell.

 

The cage storyline still feels so off brand to me.

 

I thought the switch to Nikki made it more interesting. Edward gave off "incel" vibes before that was a thing. The recaps had him going to watch her strip, being revulsed but turned on. At one point I think he enters their house and cuts up Nikki's stripping costumes. In the end, he wanted to make her pure.

 

Welcome! I have been enjoying them. The early 1988 clips include the infamous "Cricket selling kisses" scene, haha. Those two always provided light fun to balance out the drama. I was watching the 1988 ones and honestly, I thought LLB's acting was pretty decent during the Jessica scenes.

Wasn't scripted.

On 5/15/2023 at 8:25 PM, YRfan23 said:

Haha, If that was still scripted, when those scenes were about to be filmed,  I can see both actors immediately throwing a tantrum to have that changed immediately!  I bet there's so much dish that can be shared about Jack and Victor scenes from Kay when she and Bill were plotting them. I'd like to know first hand (unless she's never allow to reveal this) If EB usually followed through with all Bill Bell's story ideas for him or if stuff had to be changed, because of...well you know how he can be..LOL

 

I'm sure  I can say this -- nobody told Bill what he could or couldnt do.

On 5/15/2023 at 8:23 PM, Broderick said:

Yeah, that was in 1981.  The stalker started off terrorizing Casey, then Roberta Leighton left, and the stalker magically switched his focus to Nikki without missing a beat.   

We were thrown a few inklings the stalker might be Jonas, or it might be Andy Richards, or it might be Jerry Cashman, or it might be Greg Foster who was suffering from migraine headaches that magically vanished the day we found out the stalker was Edward.  

The whole thing seemed very haphazard and ill-planned.  I figured it was due to the WGA strike occurring that summer.  

Reckon the concept of the Brad Carlton character had even been conceived in 1983, or did they intend to put someone else entirely into the cage?  

Always intended to be Brad but might have gotten the year wrong. Her oldest was born 1981 and her youngest was born by the time Bill moved to LA. Still, it was years before it actually aired

On 5/11/2023 at 8:41 PM, Khan said:

Definitely Brad Carlton in a cage.  Someone was thirsty as hell when they wrote that one, lol.

Last time Kay and I had lunch I asked her about how it came to be. 

It was conceived circa 1983 and, at they time, Jack and Bill went to her place to write. He told them he wanted to do something very "out of the box". She said often wanted to do some thing wild and a little crazy. The three of them were brainstorming and then he saw her little girl standing next to Kay's newborn in his play pen. Bam! Bill, as often Bill did, stood up and said "I got it" and basically mapped out the story off the cuff right there. Then, as always, they would write the show a week at a time and plant the seeds for the story whenever an opportunity to do so would arise. And once enough seeds are planted, they slowly grew it. Took about 5 years..

Same thing happened that led to Victor's heart attack with Jack in the office. When Bill was informed of the...incident...between the two actors, which he was informed in the middle of a story meeting, he said "Victor has a heart attack and Jack gives him mouth-to-mouth" (which didn't happen, of course).

On 4/16/2023 at 8:55 AM, Soapsuds said:

I'm sure it will end up on Max soon. I'd recommend at least buying one episode at $2.99. It is worth it! I was watching episodes last night and the picture quality was pristine. 

The video shot was of a Bobby imposter storyline. Patrick Duffy playing the imposter after have plastic surgery. That meant season 9 wouldn't have been a dream season.

If they did the imposter story with ques from KL's Cathy Geary story, where she basically becomes Ciji, that could have worked.

Maybe Cliff would have been behind it to have faux Bobby give him a big share of Ewing Oil. Pam would fall in love with him, feelings would be mutual, he confesses out of guilt. A "Cliff, how could you!!"

And perhaps, faux Bobby would have had an edge that could show be was more ruthless than JR im businessb more manipulative, and aids in a revenge plot to take him down? Sue Ellen and faux bobby could pretend to be in love, she dumps JR, has a fake marriage with faux Bobby, and they gain custody of John Ross? With faux Bobby being more cunning, and being in JR'S orbit, and being at the office regularly he could find enough dirt to drag his name in the mud. Lucy will join him by revealing the time he married her off to a gay for a business deal. And bring back the actor reprise the roll to help testify as a charcter witness for either the custody battle or the criminal charges he would face once enough evidence is unearthed to prove his criminal practices. Like the asisn oil well thing that led to the Who Shot Jr story. 

On 4/15/2023 at 4:09 PM, Soapsuds said:

Scenes that never aired in season 10.

 

Where did you get this

I'm at Season 11 episode 3. I think Val's IQ dipped.

Val said she didn't know what to write about.
She just lived thru hell with Jill and could write about something based on her and Ben

She doesnt know Danny yet she is ready to marry him -- despite being burned so much in the past

Plus there are NO obstacles between she and Garry