allmc2008

11 hours ago, Tonksadora said:

I think it was Vee who said it. Don't be so shocked though, JFP found herself with diminishing power at the end of her tenure most places! At AW she'd lost power & HW Magaret de Priest had gained power before they showed her the door. The prelude to bye-bye was oh shut up.

Now I wonder how much of what I hated that happened on her shows was actually her doing.

11 hours ago, Tonksadora said:

I'd like to see a soap tackle the story in WE'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN which is an all-family dynamic where one of two sons is a sociopath.

That film really fucked me up.

I"d like a soap to show the journey to one as a mass shooter. Maybe a Collumbine type where one is a sociopath who 'transforms' another as a shooter.

While also showing the tragedy of those affected.

Wait. Guza had more control than JFP? How the hell was that? Who said that!

On 5/22/2022 at 10:20 AM, Darn said:

The first 20 seconds of this video illustrates exactly why Erica Kane (and Susan Lucci) became the legend she is today.

Mike's question does make me wonder: how famous was Erica meant to be? Like a household name? What celebrity would you compare her to?

At that point? Maybe some other model like Brooke Shields. Famous but if you didn't care about fashion you wouldn't have known who she was.

I know this isn't the DOOL thread but I felt that Bill Bell fans, who don't go there, would get a kick out of what I did post there.

I had no idea Bill Bell had liberal ideas about gun control.

This is from a 1976 DOOL bible

18 hours ago, allmc2008 said:

I had no idea Bill Bell had liberal ideas about gun control.

 

This is from a 1976 DOOL bible

I forgot to add the image. Also, this is the same bible in which everyone finds out Mike is Bill's kid.

In the beginning, Bill states that he always believed that a son always got his dad's blood type and a daughter always got her mom's blood type -- and that the blood type was always going to be how everyone was going to figure this out. He then states that his medical consultant told him what actually happens. Me mentions how he (grudgingly) had to rewrite what he dreamed as the ending for the story. Originally, the doctor was going to ask for Mickey's blood and it wasn't going to be a match. Instead, both parents blood had to be drawn.

It appears Bill Bell became afraid that people would think the ending will be contrived.

I'll post that within the week -- I'm busy with my new job.

I had no idea Bill Bell had liberal ideas about gun control.

This is from a 1976 DOOL bible

1 hour ago, Jdee43 said:

 

The episodes from the late 60s look amazing; colorful, clear, and vibrant! The ones from the mid to late 70s, in comparison, look dull, muddy, washed out. I wonder what happened; did the producers change their video stock? 

 

 

I think it was the lighting, to be honest. I think only Conboy could do dark lighting without making it look that way. REMEMBER though: CRT screens were brighter and hid some of the artifacts you see on those later episodes.

1 hour ago, Vee said:

Cool. I was asking about this episode though in 2013.

And I'm saying you are likely right -- it was meant to speak TO the audience.

18 hours ago, Vee said:

Thinking of this fateful episode today for no particular reason, as Angie prepares for her daughter Cassandra's abortion after being raped at the hands of a sex trafficking ring.

I always believed Debbi Morgan, a beloved face viewers for generations knew and trusted, practically doing direct address to the camera in this episode around 13 minutes in re: a woman's right to choose (bookended by Eden Riegel's Bianca reflecting on her own pregnancy in separate scenes) was one of the last gifts Agnes Nixon gave to us, as she was allegedly fairly involved in AMC 2.0. It seems so on brand with what she did with other sociopolitical stories in her heyday, and it was a topical issue in 2013 at the time due to the abortion struggle. And is again today.

I've read several outlines and projections written by Bell and Aggie and they have it specifically stated, with scenes like this, that '[insert character] is speaking TO the audience as she speaks to [insert character].'

2 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

I'm chuckling over the thought of Bill Bell calling Eric Braeden "Honey"   

He did lol

12 hours ago, Broderick said:

I really like the letters from Miss Alden to Bill Bell, and from Bill Bell to Miss Alden (especially his kind but somewhat patronizing use of "honey" to address her, and offering her a position as his "girl Friday" provided of course she can take shorthand, lol.)

Bill called everyone "Honey" -- even men. He even called his two sons "Honey".

2 hours ago, BoldRestless said:

And that is the same Elizabeth Harrower who played Kay's friend, whom Jill thought was her mother, right? The eccentricity definitely came off in her performance! She seemed a free spirit. I wonder how she felt about playing that story in 2003, considering it was completely rewriting history she wrote!

 

Love seeing the little tidbits and notes, amazing stuff. Great that Kay is doing well.

Fascinating to hear Bell's thoughts on the possible gay/POC stories. Would love to hear more, if you are able to share.

Well, Kay had a friend named Suzanne whom they employed to research things that were current. She would read all the  hip magazines and feed Bill and Kay stuff that could work as storyline. She read an article in Cosmo that was about lesbians and that was how the idea of Joanne/Kay was born.

Bill and Kay were shocked by the hate mail and the (very sharp) ratings decline when, all that happened, was meaningful eye contact as Kay put her hand on Joanne's shoulder. Literally, at that moment, the phone rang and it took MONTHS for the ratings to rebound. Bill agreed to not try that again EVER because of how devastating it was.

On that note, Bill was very devastated when he was forced to expand to an hour and entered a depression.

I asked Kay about the years from 1980-1982. She said it was a nightmare because they weren't prepared. She told me that she loved working with H Wesley Kenny but I asked if Wes ever had sway in story. She told me that, by then, she and Bill were very much a co-hw'ng team and he wouldn't have allowed Wes (or anyone else) to control him.

The network would call Bill for scripts and Bill would say, "You will get them when they air".

A lot of Bill's ego was due to Irna though. Irna would keep the man from, like, 8am to 8pm. Soon after, Irna would call and keep him for, sometimes, 4 hours. He would tell her he was eating with his family but she flat out didn't care. Lee told Kay that Irna was a bully and the whole time would trash his talent and trash him over the phone. The last thing, however, that Irna told Bill (after the fallout) was "You will never be a success because your life is too normal".

Once, Bill and Kay were eating as a restaurant and Agnes walked by. Bill stood up and introduced the two of them and flat out told Agnes, "She's my protege. I'm giving her the show when I retire".

1 hour ago, BoldRestless said:

And that is the same Elizabeth Harrower who played Kay's friend, whom Jill thought was her mother, right? The eccentricity definitely came off in her performance! She seemed a free spirit. I wonder how she felt about playing that story in 2003, considering it was completely rewriting history she wrote!

 

Love seeing the little tidbits and notes, amazing stuff. Great that Kay is doing well.

Fascinating to hear Bell's thoughts on the possible gay/POC stories. Would love to hear more, if you are able to share.

Same Horrower. Kay didn't write that story, that was Jack Smith.

For the record, Kay and Jack are really good friends -- always had been. She, in fact, wanted him to be her co-HW on "All My Children".

1 hour ago, YRfan23 said:

That's so cool!! those notes look so fascinating!!  You are so lucky!!

Is it confirmed if Kay has  several or most of her own episodes of the show for herself?? I couldn't tell if the scene she was watching was something we already have on YT or from her personal collection.

That's from The Vault.

She has tapes but they are on BETA

I visited Kay a few weeks ago and she's doing good. I recorded her watching old scenes.

The stuff on the legal pads were her notes when she was still a PhD student studying soap opera.

Just as Agnes always talked about "Brotherhood of Man" Bill was always stressing over 'The Human Equation" -- that was his term.

Later, I will post other stuff she had and I found. They maintained a folder called "Brock One Liners" where Kay and Elizabeth Horrower would find various quotes for Brock to use and they would keep track of them in a document in a folder. I scanned the whole thing.

And evidently Bill didn't take too kindly to story consultants but he had a GREAT respect for Elizabeth. Kay said that she was very off the wall but in a good way and was very eccentric and wrote very eccentric stuff. They instructed her to write specific scenes for Kay/Jill.

Bill also loved Sally. Sally created the Fenmore family, in fact.

But Kay was already co-hw by the time Joanna was introduced and was struggling with her weight -- around 1977.

Bill and Kay would basically write the show themselves. they would 'kinda write a bible but would forget about it. Instead, they would write in a very brief outline for an episode and work on it for half an hour and then he'd write 3 acts and she'd write 2 acts. And then the would combine it and work on the next episode. When Jack Smith (she said he was her first protoge -- not Bill's protoge) came on in 1979 the three of them would divide it up.

I mentioned the Joana weight thing as Kay was in charge of that story while Bill did the Peggy rape story.

Her account of the Joanna/Katherine lesbian thing is interesting but I'll wait to be asked about that LOLOLOLOL

My biggest takeway, and this is for @Khan, Bill WAS asked by CBS for Restless to be an all black soap. But, he felt that, as a white man, he wouldn't have been able to tell a story about two black families honestly enough. He wanted to bring in black people from the start but he was, again, afraid of being dishonest/unauthentic.

She also clarified that Bill was 10000% NOT homophobic. But it was the same thing with black characters. That, and he felt that most of the time gay stories on daytime were too sensationalist or too hollow and that the audience wouldn't allow them to go far enough to be truthful.

On 4/17/2022 at 12:33 AM, soapfan770 said:

Lol I think I remember reading about now but didn’t pay attention to it as they were two washed up has beens a by that point, especially Mohr. 

 

Maybe early on, but once the husband went batshit crazy the show I think the comparison stopped there. 
 

 

When was that?

I know so little about 'Unhappily..." but I know "Married..." better than I know myself.

Wasn't the former the "Night Gallery" to "Married...'s" "Twilight Zone"?

On 4/9/2022 at 12:04 AM, will81 said:

It is horrific. It was apparently happening all over the world and who knows, probably still is. We only got access to about 20% of documentation on some of the experiments/abuse that occured, the other 80% was destroyed and plenty was probably never documented or was hidden. 

I shudder to think about the projects that happened or are happening that we have no idea about and the people that are unwilling participants/victims. 

I've talked to people about it. It still is, yes.

On 5/29/2020 at 1:33 AM, will81 said:

I remember seeing a video she did about this ages ago. She was pretty adamant it was real. I mean MK Ultra was real and pretty horrific so who knows.

 

RIP Melinda Fee.  

That was an ABC special

I know all about this.

On 3/31/2022 at 12:00 AM, SFK said:

While I won’t get involved in this mishegoss of soap scans being held hostage on account of my sins, I do want to apologize for hurting your feelings, @allmc2008.

In a release of pent-up frustration with your posts of late, I made what in the moment felt like a very on brand reference with little regard to it being hurtfully received. For that, I am truly sorry. I have had nice interactions with you over the years and I hope you will be receptive when attention is called to posts that come across as rude, regardless of intention. We’ve both been around here long enough to know that abrasive posts get abrasive responses. I am not proud of stepping out of character, and I will certainly hold myself accountable and take a few moments to consider if I’m being rude, mean spirited, or nasty before clicking “Submit Reply”.

Some recent uploads to get us back on track!

 

Thank you, SFK. I was very sad and surprised when you made that comment. We all get out of line and I definitely did as well.

50 minutes ago, ClassicSoapsFan said:

You aren't treating @allmc2008 poorly, @Vee @Khan and @SFK. He has the need to be excessive and demand validation (speaking as a former friend of his.) I saw multiple posts of his on a Facebook group I am apart of which I know he's going to screen cap whatever makes him look good. While the Lily Montgomery comment was uncalled for and can be considered ablism @SFK, I understand that it had to get to that point because he crosses boundaries. He has posted many times on the Facebook group about how stupid people are when it comes to soap history sharing screencaps from this board. I wouldn't be posting here (reviving an old account) if this hasn't gotten on my last nerve. @allmc2008 bribing people for an apology is not going to make you friends with people whom you already burned bridges with. If you are going to share the Y&R post, share it. If not, don't dangle it around demanding that we all bow down to you every whim.

I'm 99% certain you are the legendary Casey Hutchinson who created "Forever and a Day", right?

33 minutes ago, ClassicSoapsFan said:

You aren't treating @allmc2008 poorly, @Vee @Khan and @SFK. He has the need to be excessive and demand validation (speaking as a former friend of his.) I saw multiple posts of his on a Facebook group I am apart of which I know he's going to screen cap whatever makes him look good. While the Lily Montgomery comment was uncalled for and can be considered ablism @SFK, I understand that it had to get to that point because he crosses boundaries. He has posted many times on the Facebook group about how stupid people are when it comes to soap history sharing screencaps from this board. I wouldn't be posting here (reviving an old account) if this hasn't gotten on my last nerve. @allmc2008 bribing people for an apology is not going to make you friends with people whom you already burned bridges with. If you are going to share the Y&R post, share it. If not, don't dangle it around demanding that we all bow down to you every whim.

Who are you?

24 minutes ago, David_Vickers said:

ABC should bring back ONE LIFE and AMC, but not 30 min. 30 mins isn't enough time for either show.  Storylines are rushed, at a stand still or the same ol people shown all the time, per B&B.  45 min without ads would be okay.  Maybe one should go online, and the other brought back on broadcast replacing GMA3 which I think is redundant, repetitive and boring and the hosts lack personality especially TJ Holmes who seems robotic or copying Obama.  IF The View, which I still like and watch continues on a downslide, maybe they could drop it as well.   Maybe the planned primetime AMC spin0ff Pine Valley should just be an AMC return, or just move it to daytime instead of the crowded primetime schedule. 

Another possilbily, bringing back some soaps on Paramount+, Netflix, Hulu or Prime, even HBO Max or Disney +. 

Don't base your opinion that the half hour doesn't work based on Bold. Go on YouTube and watch Ryan's Hope or something like that. Edge of Night might be  better as an example. Trust me, it works.