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Diana in the first three seasons was written with more dimension. She was the bossy older sister, but she also would call out Karen on her hypocrisy..and she had a few moments here and there where she was nice. Once she became involved with Chip, any sort of dimension was wiped away. At the end of her last season..she had become more tolerable living at Abbys, etc....but the character needed a breather. And it.made sense for her to move to NYC since her love of fashion/design was established in season 3. And I think Jill could have worked had the show not done the trying to kill Val story. She could have easily moved into the Sumner group orbit...and she had legit beef with Paige. Would have been a better rivalry then Linda vs Paige was.

The common thread in all these relationships is Taylor. Perhaps maybe Taylor look within herself to see what she can fix about herself before she throws herself into another relationship. It comes a time when someone needs to understand that they're responsible for their bad taste in people.. and not blame others.

I will agree that Cidre was able to craft some strong scenes such as the scene where the men were helping a calf be born... but she also seemed to not understand that one of the strengths of the original Dallas was the breakfast scenes out by the pool, the dinner scenes in the dining room, and also the post dinner drinks in the living room/family room. Those scenes were where the family would talk about Ewing Oil, the ranch, and also their family/marital situations. There could have been scenes with Bobby/Ann/Sue Ellen trying to have conversations with Christopher/John Ross/Pamela... and the generational divide between conversations and technology. There were ways that a competent show runner could have updated the show to the 2010s and still had it be Dallas.

It all depends on her health... but it sounds like the door is open for another visit down the line once story and her health align.

Nina Webster on Y & R was a runaway pregnant teen that had her baby stolen by shady Rose. She was supposed to be part of the teen summer story and then would be written off... but she ended up coming back weeks later found homeless by Chris/Philip... and she ended up a major focus in the late 80s through the 90s as the everywoman that was tied to the Chancellors

GL: Jenna Bradshaw. She was only intended as a 3 month role as a jewel thief with prior ties to Mallet... but she became a lead for while in 1993/4 (where she managed to take Spaulding E away from the Spauldings for several months). AW: Lorna Devon: Was just a spoiler for Matt/Jenna and even was going to be written out in late 1991/early 1992 before she was revealed as Felicia's long lost child with Lucas.

Problem with the new Dallas was Cynthia Cidre did see it more like a crime drama..when the show should have been more like a family drama at heart. She did say that she wrote character driven scenes..but TNT forced her to cut them. And she admitted not knowing that if Sue Ellen won her race to be governor that she would be in Austin..not Dallas (however, two governors of Illinois lived in Chicago and not in Springfield...so I could have seen the show doing the same thing with Sue Ellen).

Speaking of Cynthia Cidre... her response in 2012 about her favorite show probably explains why she seems to have trouble with running shows: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dallas-cynthia-cidre-376016/#!

Cynthia Cidre admitted never seeing the original..and that each writer would view sections of the original show...so that could explain why the show seemed so disjointed with the self contained/soap structure. I would have maybe did the more self contained format in the 1st season back...at least till we knew all the younger characters in adult form...while having Bobby/Sue Ellen/Jr crew keep the soapy aspect going since we all knew them.

She was there for about 9 to 10 months... and she was involved with Jimmy Smits. I will say that Santana did get a good exit where she decided to start over in a new city and on the flight out of Santa Barbara ends up being hit on by a good looking guy.. and she laughs/smiles as she looks out the plane window saying good bye to her past and hello to her future.

As long both focus on the fun..I'm in. Luann and Sonja have always had a fun relationship going back to season 3 where they were trading barbs as Jill Zarin was on speaker phone and being ignored by Luann/Sonja (during Sonja's 1st appearance on the show).

It's why I liked in the reunion movie that Paige finally decided to choose herself instead of being always second choice for Greg.

We did see a hint of that during Val's 'poor Jill' rant after Jill spoke to the twins and asked them not to tell her. And let's not forget the whole reason for Val's breakdown was thinking she lost her 2nd chance at being a mom after having Lucy taken from her. And add to that no one believing her that she heard the twins cry..and you just knew she would crack. She could survive losing Gary both times since she managed to pull herself up by the boot straps and made a life for herself...but losing her 2nd chance at motherhood (not from the babies dying, but being stolen)..out of the question. In fact, season 8 Jean Hackney story would have been a bit better had she threatened to harm or take the twins due to Ben not adhering to her orders to kill Greg. So Val would resent Ben..Ben would do anything to protect Val/twins..and Laura/Val's friendship would be affected. And perhaps I would have killed Ben...who died to protect Val/twins. And it would be an organic obstacle for Val/Gary since she would always put Ben on a higher pedestal then Gary going forward...and feel guilt for resenting Ben.

I love honest talk about how things really were backstage. And I do think Rose and Karen were both correct in their assessment of Ellen Barrett..because bosses do have favorites and people they bully.

I think it started in season 6 with Val's nervous breakdown after losing the twins. I don't view it as character assassination..but of untreated mental illness and enabling of said behavior (by Karen and co).

Just goes to show that even the best of laid out plans can not work out because of factors out of your control. Elimination period is such a morbid and horrible term...imho

I know there are great people that live in NYC, I just wish they were selected to be on Housewives instead of what they keep picking LOL Although I do faintly remember Jenna and she seemed cool. I think the housewives franchise might need to go back to basics and select women that have actual lives going on outside of the group. In the early version of the franchise (OC, in particular).. there were more individual narratives with some over-lap of group interactions. Perhaps maybe go back to reality and not 'heightened reality'.

The new NY trailer....other then diversity of race, it's still filled with vapid and shallow women. Maybe that's just NYC...all looks and no substance. And if they're still airing season 4 of UGT after what Brandi allegedly did...then season 5 will be aired irregardless of what goes on. And let's not forget all the classist things Gizelle said and did on season 3 of UGT (plus attempt to ruin men's reps with lies)...and she's still allowed to stay in the housewife fold. Which is why maybe it's time for reality shows to exit stage left.

Plus, Ms Zeman was in a front burner coupling with Rick Springfield on GH so that could be another reason why she would get a mention when she passed. As others have said... Susan Lucci, Diedre Hall, Anthony Geary, Genie Francis, and probably Eric Braedon will get mention if any of them pass away. It's all because all of them were known outside the soap world.

Most of the songs in the top 10 on Billboard are not actually traditional songs.. they seem more like songs that would thrive on TikTok. However, most people still want songs that have structure, lyrics and a bit of depth. Miley's song was #1 for awhile and it was the only song for awhile in the top 10 that actually sounded like a song.

Since it seems like the NY legacy is season 5 of UGT...maybe an legacy OC or Atlanta could be another future season idea.

I understand why Kristen was cast because you need a normal person to balance out the crazy of the others....and Tinsley must truly be done since I heard she was rumored to be on this. And I agree about Teresa on Jersey especially if you recall how she was in season 1. She was the fun and ditzy housewife with her shopping trips to the boutiques with her princesses..and her friendship with Dina (who also said she was not prepared for how toxic it got in season 1 during filming). If you recall how low key and sweet Teresa was on UGT... she looked like she wanted to make friends (and she was even nice to Ramona...and they had a nice bonding scene as well).

Sharon on Y & R had that where she was living at a ranch/farm.. and had darker hair.

I would have looked at David Jacob's playbook on how to make a spinoff (Dallas was about oil and a rancher family in Texas while Knots Landing was about several upper middle class people in suburban California). and made the spin off somewhat different from Dynasty. Instead of setting it in Calfornia.. I would have chosen a setting less used like the south. A southern gothic prime time soap where you would encounter lots of corruption and a wealth that differed from the wealth of Denver. Maybe set it in New Orleans. If were to have spun off a character, I probably would have spun off Dominique or Fallon (played by Pamela Sue Martin) to be the lead.

Donna Mills looks like herself...but still has lines and moves her face. @KhanI think it turned out Mary Robson wasn't Laura's mom..but her aunt. It was revealed in season 14 after she was murdered