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I dunno. Rules go out the window when one falls in love, and MVJ is playing them too much to just be a friendship. They’d have to set the stage properly to justify the betrayal, but if written well, they could sell Kat/Jacob. Soaps are so much about “good people” making difficult choices and having their values tested (using that very broadly for Kat—she is very loyal to her family in spite of her many flaws).

Maybe even an acknowledged attraction they fight over time but eventually give into. Maybe Eva finds out and holds that over Kat, so it enhances their rivalry. 

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I think Kat/Jacob is definitely being played with. I wouldn't go there too soon. Naomi has the charisma of plain toast, and Jacob isn't much better but he does have chemistry with Kat.

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I agree that the acting with the Chelsea/Alison/Madison story is what's making it land a bit flat. I applaud the show for having so many LGBT+ characters! My mom, who had never seen the show before, caught some of this week's episodes, and the one thing she commented on was the acting. The actors playing Chelsea and Alison, especially, are still a bit green. Chelsea has gotten better as the show has progressed, but this story has been a lot all of a sudden for her to carry. The other Dupree girls just come off as much more natural.

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Character development is still the goal which is why there has been a lot of story line so far. Most of the characters have been defined and we know their motivation plus traits. If we are going to mention Passions it's important to remember that one of it's issues was long, drawn out story lines with movement at the rate of about every few weeks. 

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Chelsea isn't the best actress (and neither is Allison) but they do enough that I'm still entertained. I will say it's pretty shocking to see them give such a major storyline to a lesbian character. Same with the Martin stuff. I don't know if it'll last but at least for now I'm stunned CBS is allowing this.

In regards to those who say it reminds them of Passions, Allison has been giving me the OG Jan Spears from Days. 

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11 minutes ago, Chris B said:

I'm stunned CBS is allowing this.

It makes the lack of it on the Bell soaps (especially B&B) even more glaring.

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Yes Kat do it, so Naomi will write you off and your BFF ship with Chelsea is done for good, and I can sit back and watch Eva and Leslie drag you for the tramp you call Leslie 

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17 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

It makes the lack of it on the Bell soaps (especially B&B) even more glaring.

It goes back to what I've said (too many times) - the show is such a mix of a) old, old school soap staples from Bell or Irna Phillips and b) very immediate, edgy stuff. Some of the newness really works, some is cringe and tryhard. But the explicit nature of some of the everyday dialogue, to say nothing of the frontburner LGBT story B&B and Y&R would not dare touch, really sets me back on my heels for the historically supposedly more conservative P&G or CBS Daytime. That side of the show really reminds me a lot of the PP soaps. Maybe a lot of the old guard at P&G retired? LOL.

Then at the other end of the table, you get days like a month or two ago where Anita comes back to town while practicing with the Articulettes, and much of the family assembles at the house to update her on their lives and talk through their troubles. But to my amazement, we actually saw every single one of those meetings in turn - Anita sat down with every single one of her visiting kids or grandkids individually for a full segment, IIRC! That is like something out of the '50s or '60s soap. And that's not a bad thing. There's a lot of expository family elder scenes like that, either just between Anita and Vernon or with the other characters, some much clunkier than others but generally heartfelt. The show has plenty of issues to work through, but this mix is sort of an interesting soap history lesson for me.

If @DRW50 or @Khan ever get into the show, I hope they will weigh in on this very peculiar stylistic mix. Sorry to tag you guys, but it really is fascinating to me.

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12 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

It makes the lack of it on the Bell soaps (especially B&B) even more glaring.

Especially B&B...a show about FASHION that takes place in LOS ANGELES but has zero gay characters. I won't even go into the lack of any Latino characters for a show that is based in LA. 

B&B just feels more and more out of step from the times.

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2 minutes ago, 1974mdp said:

Especially B&B...a show about FASHION that takes place in LOS ANGELES but has zero gay characters. I won't even go into the lack of any Latino characters for a show that is based in LA. 

I have no idea how they have gotten away with this for long. Like, even Y&R has those cloistered lesbians.

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28 minutes ago, 1974mdp said:

Especially B&B...a show about FASHION that takes place in LOS ANGELES but has zero gay characters. I won't even go into the lack of any Latino characters for a show that is based in LA. 

B&B just feels more and more out of step from the times.

Ridge seemed so queer-coded to me as a child/teen, but he was written as a playboy. I think it would have been so interesting if he had all the same traits, but was into men. But, alas, that was 1987, and daytime had a hard enough time with Hank on ATWT in 1988. 

I lurk on Datalounge a lot, and the volume of queer folk who adored soaps from their golden age is amazing. Many of us are the only ones who are still talking about them and keeping them alive. To think that daytime took so long to give a damn about us is insane. Of course, there were Nuke on ATWT, Otalia on GL, and Bianca on AMC, but a lot of their respective stories were mishandled and sometimes downright offensive. 

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I like the Thin Man banter between Kat and Jacob and don't want to be ruined with a hook up.

Between Jacob and Naomi, I could see Naomi being the one to cheat on Jacob because she feels 'unfulfilled' or that she wants a man that challenges her.  

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1 hour ago, dragonflies said:

Yes Kat do it, so Naomi will write you off and your BFF ship with Chelsea is done for good, and I can sit back and watch Eva and Leslie drag you for the tramp you call Leslie 

That would be entertaining.

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1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

I like the Thin Man banter between Kat and Jacob and don't want to be ruined with a hook up.

 

I know, right! If this were any other show, I would say it's definitely happening, but here I have doubts they'll go down that road. 

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8 minutes ago, MontyB said:

I know, right! If this were any other show, I would say it's definitely happening, but here I have doubts they'll go down that road. 

I might do it, but not soon. tbh Kat needs more life experience, and namby-pamby Jacob needs to get a lot more seasoned himself. I'd have her with another serious partner before going there once they're both evolved. Play the long game, like what Ryan's Hope teased for awhile with Jack Fenelli and Siobhan Ryan (his wife's sister).

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