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I don't agree that Chelsea has had no development. They've been pretty much all in on Chelsea's journey of self-discovery and sexuality and have been playing that storyline heavily for months - the momager thing with Dani was a sideline/character beat that was largely dropped after the first month or two and hasn't come back into real focus, IMO. (Though it should.) They've been focused on her exploring her orientation, then they brought in Madison and finally brought back Alison. It's been going for at least several months.

My issue with Chelsea is not that she isn't developed, because I think she is. My issue is that I often just find her boring lol, think RRM's performances are often very green and I think the insta-relationship with Madison is forced and silly.

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42 minutes ago, Vee said:

I don't agree that Chelsea has had no development. They've been pretty much all in on Chelsea's journey of self-discovery and sexuality and have been playing that storyline heavily for months - the momager thing with Dani was a sideline/character beat that was largely dropped after the first month or two and hasn't come back into real focus, IMO. (Though it should.) They've been focused on her exploring her orientation, then they brought in Madison and finally brought back Alison. It's been going for at least several months.

My issue with Chelsea is not that she isn't developed, because I think she is. My issue is that I often just find her boring lol, think RRM's performances are often very green and I think the insta-relationship with Madison is forced and silly.

All of this is so true, they really haven't done enough to make Chelsea a lead the way they have with Kat and Eva - and yes, I understand they probably really wanted to build the Kat and Eva rivalry so the sisters reveal had extra impact and also to mirror the Nicole/Leslie drama, but Chelsea could be doing so much more - she is a famous social media influencer and model, her relationship with Dani as they start to switch off from the momager/client dynamic and try to find their groove again as just mother/daughter without having work in common; she's also bisexual but there are no young female or male characters on the canvas that she ISN'T related to except these odd bit players like Craig and Alison; again having Doug and Vanessa's kids on the canvas would be great (boy and girl twins, both with feelings for Chelsea). If they weren't rushing through plot lines then perhaps Chelsea and Madison bonded when Bill was in hospital, maybe Naomi was being that bossy af relative telling the doctors how to do their job and Chelsea, as the buffer between Dr. Madison and Naomi, started to fall for her father's doctor, or maybe they met beforehand at that awful lime green bar and hooked up, only for Madison to be treating her father a few days later. I could go on and on with this show, there's SO MUCH potential and while it's still very enjoyable, there could be so much more being shown and happening to further the stories and give them more impact when they reach their inevitable climax.

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I think Chelsea as a character and RRM as a performer is just weaker than the Kat/Eva duo. They've written up and down for her, as I said above, but I find Chelsea boring and Mantilla very raw. That green performance and the sometimes PSA-styled writing of her personal discovery don't help. It feels very much like they want to educate the viewers which I can understand, soaps have always done that and frankly it's still relevant and the heart is in the right place, but it feels a bit too canned in both scripts and delivery. Some stuff meets the contemporary moment, other stuff feels like a Degrassi Very Special Storyline.

That, and the insta-girlfriend doesn't work for me. Chelsea and Madison barely went out twice before they practically moved to opening a bed and breakfast together.

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1 hour ago, UKBoi said:

maybe they met beforehand at that awful lime green bar and hooked up, only for Madison to be treating her father a few days later.

Isn't that what happened?

 

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1 hour ago, Gatecrashers said:

Isn't that what happened?

 

No. Madison and Chelsea didnt start dating until after she became Bill's doctor. When Chelsea was seeing him and Madison walked in, that was the third time they had met

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5 hours ago, Vee said:

 

My issue with Chelsea is not that she isn't developed, because I think she is. My issue is that I often just find her boring lol, think RRM's performances are often very green and I think the insta-relationship with Madison is forced and silly.

100% this!

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4 hours ago, EricMontreal22 said:

100% this!

On paper the Chelsea/Allison/Madison story had legs but casting, pacing and writing choices have sabotaged it.

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On 8/22/2025 at 7:42 PM, wonderwoman1951 said:

maybe… but that means her original version was simplistic and far less interesting that what viewers saw the first few weeks. so the recast feels like a big bait-and-switch. 

I agree, re: Ted. 

9 hours ago, Vee said:

I think Chelsea as a character and RRM as a performer is just weaker than the Kat/Eva duo. They've written up and down for her, as I said above, but I find Chelsea boring and Mantilla very raw. That green performance and the sometimes PSA-styled writing of her personal discovery don't help. It feels very much like they want to educate the viewers which I can understand, soaps have always done that and frankly it's still relevant and the heart is in the right place, but it feels a bit too canned in both scripts and delivery. Some stuff meets the contemporary moment, other stuff feels like a Degrassi Very Special Storyline.

That, and the insta-girlfriend doesn't work for me. Chelsea and Madison barely went out twice before they practically moved to opening a bed and breakfast together.

I AGREE. 💯

The actress playing Alison is doing a decent job, but the story itself is Passions-level silly. What even is Alison’s job? How much disbelief are we supposed to keep suspending? Everything is moving so damn fast, I fully expect a spaceship full of aliens to land by December. (We’ve had Kat mentioning that her paternal grandmother had a sixth sense. In hindsight we know this show thinks it’s clever with its foreshadowing so I’m dreading what that line was hinting at…)

The only thing I actually liked was how multiple storylines converged in the Dupree living room a couple episodes ago. That was cool. But at the same time, it was a missed opportunity—having characters find out major plot developments in the middle of Chelsea’s kidnapping scene diluted everything. For example, Bill finding out about Chelsea’s sexuality and Dandre’s relationship while the kidnapping was still happening robbed us of the chance to see a proper emotional reaction.

Back to the kidnapping:

Of course Alison has an alias—Edie 😂. I swear this show is obsessed with aliases. We’ve had Dana/Leslie/Sherry, Randy/Sammie, Tyrell, Samantha/Cecille, Tyrone (?), and I’m pretty sure Vanessa used a fake name when she met that guy back in episode 3. It’s getting ridiculous.

And while this show drives me crazy, CBS reruns drive me even more insane. I hate them. I hope they stop for good.

Also—what exactly is a “fixer” in the writers’ minds? Bill is a softie who wouldn’t hurt a fly. They keep inflating his ego by having people say he “needs to fix things,” but he hasn’t fixed a single thing in 100+ episodes. He’s just shared threats—and that was unfortunate. Now Nicole thinks she’s the fixer? Again, what exactly is she fixing and how? lol.

Please tell me they’re actually screen-testing Kat and Jacob. We need mess. Real mess.

As for Ted: I have no idea what his plan is, but I’m sure it’s both stupid and nonsensical. The writers clearly have no clue what to do with him. Keith’s portrayal doesn’t help—he makes the character come off as cold and unsympathetic. He highlights every flaw in Ted’s conception. Anyone who’s taken a basic writing class can see Ted is a non-character. He has no fatal flaw, no real desire, no internal conflict. His entire profession was just a flimsy excuse for a forgettable subplot. Not to mention he spends more time with his nephew than with his son. 

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14 hours ago, Cheap21 said:

No. Madison and Chelsea didnt start dating until after she became Bill's doctor. When Chelsea was seeing him and Madison walked in, that was the third time they had met

Ugh. Don't remind me of Chelsea's cringe flirting tactics. It was a mix of ick and poor acting that made those scenes so uncomfortable. They were trying to make Chelsea some vixen and it wasn't coming across. 

7 hours ago, Aback said:

The actress playing Alison is doing a decent job, but the story itself is Passions-level silly. What even is Alison’s job? How much disbelief are we supposed to keep suspending? Everything is moving so damn fast, I fully expect a spaceship full of aliens to land by December. (We’ve had Kat mentioning that her paternal grandmother had a sixth sense. In hindsight we know this show thinks it’s clever with its foreshadowing so I’m dreading what that line was hinting at…)

As for Ted: I have no idea what his plan is, but I’m sure it’s both stupid and nonsensical. The writers clearly have no clue what to do with him. Keith’s portrayal doesn’t help—he makes the character come off as cold and unsympathetic. He highlights every flaw in Ted’s conception. Anyone who’s taken a basic writing class can see Ted is a non-character. He has no fatal flaw, no real desire, no internal conflict. His entire profession was just a flimsy excuse for a forgettable subplot. Not to mention he spends more time with his nephew than with his son. 

I also said to myself this feels like Passions at one point while watching this week. I think this is in part due to the story being underdeveloped. Many beats were not played or rushed completely. In a previous post, I mentioned how insane the reveal that Alison was never married to Craig and that she hired him just to lure Chelsea would have been if this story had enough time to stew. I feel like this story could have easily ran a year and a half with everything that happened but was rushed. I also know that BTG is probably testing and working out pacing. They are launching a soap in a very different landscape. I think because of the rush, this story feels a bit cartoonish and lacking the gravity needed to make it feel intense. It's not bad, but it could have been better.

As for Ted. I don't think his actual plan is to move Leslie into his home. If it is then that is complete character assassination, because Ted can't possibly be this stupid. He already has a forgotten son (practically) and he wants to get rid of their mother from her home (their childhood home) to put in the woman that upended their lives? I doubt this man has this little sense.

However, whatever his plan is, we know it is going to piss Nicole off either way and only push his behind further from getting her back. 

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I would not have had the patience to watch this Chelsea/Alison, etc. saga grind out for a year or year and a half. These specific actors are not that engaging and the story is an old soap chestnut.

The show absolutely has issues with pacing that Ducksworth has actually talked eloquently about - as I've said, the first new American soap since 1999 has succeeded in reaching some of a new audience but now has to accommodate their attention span/viewing habits. But despite that ongoing experiment I'd rather they just burn through this story and find something better to do with Chelsea.

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26 minutes ago, Vee said:

But despite that ongoing experiment I'd rather they just burn through this story and find something better to do with Chelsea.

100%. I think this story can work as a fast-paced and attention-grabbing "campy" storyline for those with shorter attentionspans, while hopefully they can slowly develop some of the other storylines in the background. The biggest issue is that they keep missing beats, so doing these short-term things while properly setting up A-, B- and C-storylines to peak might be a solution for now to avoid viewers getting "bored". 

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33 minutes ago, Vee said:

the first new American soap since 1999 has succeeded in reaching some of a new audience but now has to accommodate their attention span/viewing habits. 

The Google generation that binge watches.

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Anybody else think the show will eventually move towards a Cat/Jacob pairing? They definitely have more chemistry that Cat/Tomas and Jacob/Naomi.

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No to Kat/Jacob. Stealing your cousin's man when there's no rivalry is not cool.

Kat/Eva are the sisters fighting over a guy rivalry I want.

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An emphatic NO to Kat/Jacob for various reasons but also because Kat doesn't fit the bill of allowing herself to be in a most tacky position of being "the other woman." That’s reserved for low rent women like Hayley and Leslie. Kat is bougie and high maintenance.

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