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I don’t really agree it’s just part of the job, because soap fans are often delusional.  They call the actors by the character’s names to their faces.  They rant at actors in very derogatory ways about storylines they have zero control over. 

I know this is just how it is online. I just don’t think it is how it should be. But at the same time, the daytime writing staffs now are shadows of what they used to be.

As much as I love Liz, she has no business attacking Joss looking at her own poor relationship decisions.  And she knows it. Liz isn’t Carly, who would totally insert herself into this teenage drama.

I actually think it is in character for Liz to show Joss some grace, and for Laura to have empathy for Esme, no matter how awful I find both characters.

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@titan1978 I agree that internet shouldn't be that way as well.  Soaps fan have been delusional for years like that though.  Attacking actors in grocery stores, writing letters, calling into the studio.  Now it's just easier to access these people and find these writers on the team that wouldn't necessarily be in the spotlight years ago.  I am not trying to defend these delusional people at all.  I am just saying as a writer on a soap opera she should have been prepared for these sorts of insults.  It's not a new behavior.   I do think it's part of the job in this day and age.  Every soap writer pretty much deals with these tweets now.  It doesn't make it right, but it is the reality of it.  And she in turn has every right to defend herself.   I just don't think it will make a difference and will probably get her more attention and make her more of a target. 

As far as Liz, I would actually think she would stay out of the Joss stuff not only because she has empathy, but because Cameron is doing really well.  I know I would rather have my child on a soccer team at Stanford than hanging around town to date Josslyn Jax.

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I think it’s different in this case. That’s her child. And a parent has the right to not be fair when their child is hurt, especially when they’re hurt by someone who says they care, but clearly doesn’t 

Now, if only Liz could tell her that

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It would be funny if she was like, "good luck dating Sonny's lackey!  My sons going to graduate from an ivy league school!"  It would be hypocritical, but worth it to me! 

Also, if Joss can dip into her trust fund why couldn't she just buy Carly's house and let her live in it.  If the deeds in Joss's name and you can take gifts or business from your family can't she just charge Carly some rent and be done with it?   It honestly seems less sketchy than her buying Kelly's for a dollar.

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I understand where you're coming from, but to out-right say a lot of things that have been said, especially on social media, are disgusting and sometimes, they cannot be avoided, especially when in today's day and age where a "For You" and "Recommend"-type columns are forcibly put upon you on social media.

Ms. Peace made it known they're open to criticism and welcome it, but when it crosses from criticism to flat=out being nasty, that's when it's something they don't want to hear... and they honestly shouldn't. I mean, like @titan1978 said, soaps fans are delusional, especially on social media, and I have to say, the most delusional and unhinged are General Hospital "fans" (hence why I use quotation marks).

Peace even stated (as I always suspected): "The fact is, there are countless factors that determine the production of a television show (especially one with fast-moving parts like GH). Our hardworking writing team isn't in sole control of every aspect of our storytelling, but we do work incredibly hard to deliver what we're asked to." Again, they are asked to write things, and as I suspect (and long have based on what other writers have stated), Disney-ABC and TPTB above General Hospital nix things from being written.

It's about how things are said, especially online. There are ways to say things and there are ways to not say things and, 98% of the time, the ways things are not to be said are what is actually said. Intentionally seeking out actors and writers, tagging them (especially when they originally weren't), for the intent of hurting them, is absolutely disgusting.

One poster commented this:

❝ Hi Shannon! I've been a viewer most of my life and no matter if I like or dislike a storyline or character, I know that there's something for everyone and it's not going to be me every time. Thank you for sharing this and I hope people will be kinder moving forward (but it's the internet so

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). I don't know if you have any hand in it but I love Sante, Vanna, and Jex currently. I like healthy couples who support each other and whose obstacles are not cheating or lying. Having said that, it's been a long time since we had a good torrid love affair storyline so I'd love a big dramatic one that will have us screaming at our TVs. But not one of these 3 couples that I mentioned I hope the writers get what they deserve!! ❞

And Peace's response was actually positive in response.

❝ Thank you for telling me what/who you’re digging and for being so measured when expressing what you want more of!

Man, if only all viewers were like the fans here! ❞

Can you imagine how much different the response could have been had they said something along the lines of "I hate this f**king couple. Why are you writing them this way? You're horrible at this! I don't like this. I hate this," etc.

Another wrote:

❝ Ms. Peace, thank you for your thoughtful post and for giving fans insight into the behind-the-scenes process of writing for daytime. I was raised watching soaps and have been a GH fan for nearly 30 years. I’m an editor and fundamentally believe words matter and portrayal of characters and social issues is important, no matter the medium.

I have been frustrated and upset with Esme’s redemption arc because I feel the optics of how race and privilege are intersecting without the character having faced justice (yet) are hard to watch. That said, I also know daytime stories take time to unfold and many factors go into bringing a show to air. So I am hopeful justice will prevail.

I am also incredibly invested in Sprina’s love story, and I adore Vanna’s romance! Sante grows on me every time I see them together. Ms. Tracey Q will always be a queen (who writes her one liners, haha!), I am always so excited to see what Cyrus has up his sleeve, and I cannot wait to find out who’s behind Pikeman.

Anyway, if you made it to the end of this, thank you for reading and for taking the time to communicate with fans! You and your team don’t have easy jobs—I hope to see your names back on screen soon! ❞

With Peace responding:

❝ I completely understand all that you’ve expressed (and again, thank you for doing so constructively and respectfully).

I felt the racial implications were important to address as well; Charlotte and I collaborated on an episode where a conversation between Portia and Stella got a lot of attention (and a write-up in Soap Opera Digest) because they specifically spoke to the racial undertones/implications of Esme framing Trina. This perspective is absolutely important and necessary.

I think we can be responsible while also remembering this is a soap opera: Big baddies frequently escape justice (our hero is a mob boss, lol) or are redeemed.

Love the characters you listed and you name-checked one of my absolute favorites: CYRUS RENAULT (the brilliant Jeff Kober). I frequently write for him and it’s an absolute thrill.  ❞

She genuinely seems on the side of the fans, and I think that's why she has presented things in the way she did. She isn't working against the fans, and in speaking for her co-workers, it seems like they're in the same mindset. Yes, some don't pay attention to social media, but some do... and that's fine.

As for the quotes Peace chose, I think she chose some of the tamer-ones to not point out those extraordinarily nasty ones, because those don't deserve the immediate attention.

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It would be worth it if Joss got hurt in any way lol not just for what she did to Cam, but for leaving Britt to die too. 

I’m still waiting

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I respect your detailed response and I figured my take would not be popular.  I still think some of this is at least something you might anticipate dealing with as a soap opera writer or really any high profile writer.   I absolutely believe she has every right to defend herself against critics and she seems to be responding quite thoughtfully.  I also think this feeds the trolls no matter what.  She's spotlighting it's hurtful and hurtful to her co-workers.  That can be taken out of context to those people that their words are working and effective. 

Bottom line, if she feels better about saying this and defending herself, good for her.  If it is affecting her mental health, I would just stay off social media for awhile or even seek out certain boards that have more thoughtful insights.  A lot of us on here would be happy to give articulate feedback to her!

Unfortunately, I think we will all be waiting a long time......

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There's lots of shitheels out there. But the answer 90% of the time is don't engage your audience on social media.

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If Ms. Peace has any sense, she'll stop responding to fans at length on social media or at least cut way back.

Sooner or later, this level of engagement is going to bite her in the ass.

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There's a tweet over GH now using  "temporary writers" getting a lot of negative responses from various actors, pointing out that those writers are "scabs." I do wish more soap people were pointing out how difficult the situation is for soap writers and performers in a strike (the closest we got was Ron Carlivati's pity party).

 

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The issue is that soaps are under the NetCode Contract. This Contract goes thru July of 2024. Daytime soaps are not struck work. So Fi-Core writers are not barred from writing for them

 

If Daytime soaps were part of the TV/Film/Streaming Contract which is currently struck then no writers even fi-core could write Daytime Dramas

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Netcode is *not* about writers. 
Soaps are under netcode for *actors*.  Soaps are "not-struck" projects for *actors*.
Soaps are non-strike for SAG-AFTRA.
Recurring actors can work for nonstruck projects such as soaps. And contract soap actors must work.

Soaps are being struck by WGA.
Soaps *are* struck work for *writers*.

 

To sum up:
soaps are nonstruck for actors.
soaps are struck for writers.

 

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Jessie shoots Earl to protect the Champions   Arnie       John Franklin       kid that stole L. C. 's necklace with Ramon.   Stayed at Sarah Webber's foster care home. She took the things that the boys would steal. Bonnie     Leigh Kavanaugh    1984   Hotel Hooker that talks to Colleen Boog       Terrence Evans      1984     Henchman of Lou and Deke on their quest for Pancho Villa's  treasure Brian     Not Credited     1984    Orderly at the Silver Swan; Nick's henchman Buck                 Bill McKinney   1983   Jeb's henchman.  sets charges that cause an avalanche;  puts chemicals in the lake to kill the cattle on the drive. Charlie               Ed Crick          1983  Jeb's henchman Charlie              George Fisher         1984   Jeb's henchman Deke             Billy Green Bush  1984      Lou's partner; they killed Charlie Reno for his map to Pancho Villa's treasure. Kidnap L. C.  but get captured in the end Dublin the Dog    1983     murdered by Sanchez Eddie      Burt Marshall    1984     Lou and Deke's henchman on their quest for Pancho Villa's treasure Eddie       Not Credited      1984      knocked out by Chance at Jeb's Home Hal        1983 - 84   Hugh Gorrian     Jeb's Chauffeur Juno       Not Credited      1984      knocked out by Chance at Jeb's Home Klaus     Andre Landzaat      1984    Concierge at the Carlyle Hotel Kelly         Gloria Hayes      1983    Woman giving the eye to dance to Chance Lou         Geoffrey Lewis    1984      Deke's partner; they killed Charlie Reno for his map to Pancho Villa's treasure. Kidnap L. C.  but get captured in the end Nurse Maggie      Anne Haney      wheeled Toat out of the hospital to the car Marie      Claudette Wells     1984    hooker on the strip; tells Chance about The Catcher Mary      Anulka Dziubinska      1984  Roy's limo driver in Los Angeles Mavis            Vonetta McKee     1984    Hooker that Colleen connects with at a hotel; helps her with a tip on finding the kidnapped L. C. in L. A. Michael      Will Bledsoe     1984   young guy taken in by The Catcher; The Catcher plans to turn him out. Chance takes him away from The Catcher and offers to send him home. Nicky             Joe E. Tata          1983     waiter -- Juliette Hollister  and  Roy Champion Pamela      Sherri Stoner     1984    girl being held with L. C. at the Silver Swan, rescued by Chance Pamela Sue   Lenny Hollister's date to the auction         Melanie Vincz    1983 Purvis         Herbert Jefferson, Jr.       cowpoke Ramon       Gabriel Gonzalez          kid that stole L. C. 's necklace with Arnie.   Stayed at Sarah Webber's foster care home. She took the things that the boys would steal. Ricki             Corinne Bohrer     Pappas' employee at the Silver Swan  she threatens L. C., then considers helping her escape. Murdered by Pappas Rita      Not Credited      Lila Devereauax's secretary at Lila West Ruby      Never Seen, Mentioned    Court Stenographer Sue Ann   Kimberly Foster 1983   Bartender that cards Whit when he's out dancing with Grace Dr. Sue Ann           Elizabeth Savage    1983    Veterinarian Taza               Rion Hunter     1984        lived in a mission with his family that Jeb Hollister wanted bulldozed. The Champion family saved their home, but they left   Attorney       Matthew Faison    on Hollister's payroll to fight for Marlene to get Whit's share of The Yellow Rose Barrel Racer     Karen Petrasek       at the rodeo that Trey and Whit compete in. Brawler        David S. Cass, Sr.    1983     in a bar fight with the Champion me, later helping them pick the glass off of them. Break Dancer     Not Credited     1984     Los Angeles Streets Break Dancer     Not Credited     1984     Los Angeles Streets Captain     Val de Vargas        1984    Mexican Policeman who takes Pancho Villa's papers and treasure to the Mexican Government. Catcher    Kario Salem          1984     Takes in young people, turns them out and sells them to pimps.  Chance beat up his goons and rescued Michael Child at the Mission      Not Credited        1984 Child at the Mission      Not Credited        1984 Child at the Mission      Not Credited        1984 Construction Workers:    Nick Dimitri     1984    to tear down the Mission                                         Bill Hart             1984    to tear down the Mission Deputy       Chuck Hicks     1983       arrested Whit and turned him over to the Sheriff Deputy            Christopher E. Jackson  1983      with Whit Deputy                     James Parkes  1983   pulled over Roy Deputy Sheriff        John Pickard    1984   Search for L. C. and Juanita Detective      Not Credited     1984     Partner of Ralph Foster Doctor     Jeannie Linero    1984    worked to save Luther's life Emcee       Richard Fullerton    1984     Prison Rodeo             The Foreman         William Jordan  1984       worked for the Hollisters; he was supposed to bulldoze the mission that Taza and his family were staying in just over the Hollister line Gas Station Attendant       Robert Carnegie     1983     gas station during Whit's hunt for Grace Gas Station Attendant        Ritchie Montgomery  1983 pumping gas when Chance is looking for Blue Lake and Danny Goodall Gas Station Attendant     Dennis Fimple    1983   at a gas station when Sanchez arrives; told Sanchez cash only; sees the dead body in the truck bed; killed by Sanchez Goon      Not Credited    1984         guy that works for the Catcher. Chance beat his ass Goon      Not Credited    1984         guy that works for the Catcher. Chance beat his ass Goon      Not Credited    1984         guy that works for the Catcher. Chance beat his ass Goon      Not Credited    1984         guy that works for the Catcher. Chance beat his ass Hollister Man    Jeff O'Haco         1983     fought with the Champions Hollister Man    Arnie Moore      1983     fought with the Champions Hollister Man    Joe Massengale        1983     fought with the Champions Hollister Thug   1983         Billy Burton Hollister Thug     1983       Kenny Call Hollister Thug    1983           Damon   Douglas HorseShoe Player          Michael Brockman      1984   gives Jed Fargo a dirty look at the Memorial Day Picnic Hotel (Motel)  Manager            Ted Gehring     1984     Jed Fargo rented a room from him. House Man    Pat Ranella     works at the first casino we see Trey at. Inmate                   Jay Arlen Jones      in jail with Whit; makes sexually suggestive comments Inmate           Jerry Potter        in jail with Whit; makes sexually suggestive comments Judge             Sari Price      1984 The Killer         Duane Tucker     1984  hired by Jeb to shoot and kill Rose. Chance holds him off, but Rose is killed,  Chance goes after Jeb. Man     John Ingle    1983      at the Oil Man of the Year Party with Jeb Man                                 John McIntyre Nurses      Channing Chase    1984      worked to save Luther's life                     Jennifer Falana      1984       worked to save Luther's life Nursel     Ernestine Mercer   1984   Toat's nurse  in the hospital Oil Driller          Ben Bates     1984  on Hollister land polluting the YR's Water  Old Man          Hank Worden      1983       at a Trailer Park  Orderly      Tommy Tucker  1984     worked to save Luther's life       Prison Guard                Al Hansen     1984    Toat Prison Guard         Peter Harrell        1984       Toat Prison Guard      Not Credited      1984      Toat Prison Inmate     Michael Greene    1984   Lenny's Buddy in the prison, helped him try to kill Chance and Roy Reporter       Jeremy Ross     1983    press conferences Roadside  Detour Man        Herman Poppe     1983    directed Chief John and Chance off the main road to capture them for Lenny Hollister and Sanchez Rodeo Announcer      Not Credited      1984   Announces Whit and Trey's events at the rodeo. Sanchez Employee     David Cadiente     leads Roy to fight Sanchez after his run Sanchez Employee      Not Credited    episode 2 Sanchez Employee      Not Credited     episode 2 Seamstress    Amapola Del Vando    1984     Worker that shows her work to Lila Devereaux Sergeant                   Ken Grant        1983pulled Roy over Slave Laborer at Hardison Work Camp   Wilfredo Hernandez    told Chance that Quisto and Raoul were working in the field with the spray Spa Attendant     Not Credited      1984    worked at the Silver Swan Stockyard Official       Davis Roberts   1983  allows the Champions to load their cattle on the train, despite flack from the Hollister men Store Owner    Ed Call    1984   at the Hardison Work Camp. Overcharges for goods to keep the workers poor. Trailer Park Manager    Virginia Gregg    1983   Ran the trailer park that Whit went to on his search for Grace Undercover Cop               Thomas Rosales, Jr.     1983    Drug Traffickers Woman at the Auction    Anne Nagle     1983 Woman at the Auction      Not Credited     1983 Woman at the Auction     Not Credited   1983 Woman at the Auction      Not Credited   1983 Woman at the Mission       Not Credited      1984 Woman at the Mission       Not Credited      1984 Woman at the Mission       Not Credited      1984 Woman at the Mission       Not Credited      1984 Young Girl    Irma Garcia      1984     at the Memorial Day Picnic     ????   Roles Unknown                      Ted Noose   Ep. 6                      Gary Pagett    Ep. 6    
    • THE YELLOW ROSE OCTOBER 2, 1983-MAY 12, 1984 THE YELLOW ROSE RANCH   Nate Adams    Never Seen     Jeb mentions he's going to be Lenny's attorney for his arraignment  Barbara  Sue Anderson     Robin Wright    May 1984   Whit's "friend" that was murdered at the Memorial Day picnic by Jed Fargo Tess __ Anderson   Elizabeth Rogers    May 1984     Barbara Sue's mother; baked a pie that was up for auction at the Memorial Day Picnic.  Devastated by her daughter's murder. J. D. Barnes     Macon McCalman    banker that can't extend the loan to the Champion family Caryn McGregor ___ ___ Cabrera    Kerrie Keane       1983 - 84    Jeb's assistant; with him when he got shot; informed Rose about the shooting, and that her son was at The Yellow Rose Ranch; reveals herself to Roy that she lost her virginity to him before he got together with Marlene.  Caryn leaks information that Rudy Lansing had been working for Jeb before he met Marlene.  Jeb sent her to Caracas for a business deal and told his chauffeur to make sure she knew her death was his idea Colleen ___ Champion    Cybill Shepherd   1983 - 84     Widow of Wade Champion, mother of L. C.  Involved with Deputy Duncan Gilmore before his death and Chance.  L.C.  "Love Child" Champion   Michelle Bennett   1983 - 84   12 year old daughter of Colleen and Wade -- Precocious  Ramon "Quisto" Champion   Edward Albert  1983 - 84    Attorney. Half American and half - Mexican; tred to help the Padilla family byu going undercover at the Hardison Camp and was almost killed Roy Champion    David Soul   1983 - 84   Runs the Yellow Rose Ranch.  The eldest of Wade's six children; had a ONS with Caren Cabrera before marrying Marlene and having a son, Whit. Dated Lila Devereaux and flirted with Colleen before falling for Juliete Hollister, who believed her father over Roy. Sparred often with Chance but always had each other's backs for the good of the family Sharon Champion      away at college   Daughter Wade    Never Seen,  Mentioned  Trey Champion    Greg Evigan     Wade's son on the rodeo circuit. Had a fling with Colleen after Wade died. A gambling addict, he owed $350,000.00 to Mr. Rondello.  Returns to the Yellow Rose hoping to collect his inheritance.  Whit looks up to his uncle and wants to follow in his footsteps as a rodeo winner.  Trey gets roughed up by Johnny Tupelo and Stryker, and they tell him someone will pay with their life.   Trey breaks down and admits his problem and he leaves town. Wade Champion   Late husband of Colleen father of Chance with Rose Hollister; Roy, Trey and Sharon,;  Quisto with a woman from Mexico; father of "L. C." or Love Child with Colleen   Never Seen, Mentioned Whit Champion     Tom Schanely    1983 - 84   Roy's son with Marlene; has a raging crush on Grace, the family cook.  Shot during the search for Villa's gold Emmett Chesney        Alex Henteloff   1984  barber that Toat and Chance visit to learn the whereabouts of Toat's Grandson. Judge Sam Claymore   Dick Sargeant  1983   Good Ole Boy Judge that's close friends with Jeb Matt Colby     Jesse Vint    1984  United States Border Control Agent. Chased Yolanda Munoz across the yellow Rose with Cal Everett Hoyt Coryell    Ken Curtis      1983 - 84    Ranch Hand at The Yellow Rose Ranch along with best friend, Luther Dillard Julia Dalton    Hanna Landy Tony "Touch Down" Deckers    Jeff Severs     1983   Dallas Cowboy football player; once dated Juliette Lila Devereaux   Barbara Stock       1984      Former love of Roy Champion.  Designer of Lila West Clothing. She inherited her father's place, Hardison Work Camp. Approached by Roy at a charity event in which he laid out that Hardison was a slave labor camp. She was unaware what was going on there until she went in with Roy and met the seamstresses that were making her clothing line. Juanita Diaz   Isela Vega    1984   Granddaughter of Pancho Villa; wanted the map to his fortune. Did not condone the murder of Charlie Reno by Deke and Lou. Hired  to become the cook at the Yellow Rose after meeting Luther and Hoyt. Talks L. C. into following the map, but protects her from Lou, Deke, Eddie and Boog. Luther Dillard   Noah Beery          1983 - 84    Ranch Hand at The Yellow Rose Ranch along with best friend, Hoyt Coryell.  Shot by the Yates boys Cal Everett    Ed Lauter    1984   Crooked Border Control Agent with Matt Colby. Chased Yolanda Muniz across the Yellow Rose property after she saw them gun running Jed Fargo    William Smith  1984   former prison inmate that fought with Chance after hurting a "fish"    Came to Hollister County for revenge. Killed Whit's girl, Barbara Sue and planned to rape Colleen and kill Chance. Beat up Whit. Shot while trying to kill Chance by Whit. Mr. __ Finch    Jonathan Goldsmith      1984     Gunrunner working with illicit Border control workers witnessed by Yolanda Munoz Lieutenant Ralph Foster    James "J.A." Preston    1984   Los Angeles Detective with a missing son on the search for L. C.   Doesn't have a warrant for the Silver Swan, so the Champions steal his gun so he can follow them into the Spa. Jack Frye    Jeff Morris 1984   first Hardison Work Camp Employee shown  Warden Carl Garrett    Hugh Gillin     1983 - 84  worked at the Huntsville Prison Chance was at. Told Colleen that Chance was definitely Wade's son; Can't let Toat Gilmore be released because of a previous Public Affairs situation.   Back-stops a pass to  give an excuse for Toat being off the prison grounds. Ben Gilmore   Christopher Allport   1984    grandson of Toat Gilmore. Toat digs up the gold coins he stashed in his grandaddy's grave 50 years earlier. The gold is now worth thousands of dollars. Toat suggests Ben, a teacher, invest the money in his school and nearby church Child __ Gilmore     Not Credited     1984     Ben's Kid Mrs. __ __ Gilmore      Not Credited    Ben's Wife, visits Toat in the Hospital Toat Gilmore   Buddy Ebsen   1984   Inmate at Huntsville for 50 + years; Chance's good friend. Toat robbed banks and gave the money back to the farmers that the banks screwed over. Chance sneaks him out during a rodeo at the prison.  They go to the town that Toat's grandson is a teacher in.  They dig up the last of the money Toat had stolen (money the banks had overcharged farmers, including Toat's granddaddy).  Toat has a heart episode.  His grandson comes to see him and Toat suggests he take the coins  and fix up the church and school. Whenthe Sheriff attempts to keep Toat from returning to the prison on time, Chance and Luther trick the deputies into following them while Hoyt, (not a fan of Toat) finds a respect he hadn't had for Toat and the kind of man he was. Clem Goodall             Bert Remsen     1983    old friend of Luther and Hoyt; Allows the Champions to cross his land in a cattle drive until Jeb buys his loan from the bank and won't allow them to cross; reports he saw a young man running and tossing a gun after Jeb is shot. Turns out the shooter is his grandson Danny. Clem feels guilty and tries to clear Whit. Danny Goodall     Thom Matthews   Clem's Grandson; shot Jeb; went to school with Whit but had to drop out; Chance convinced him to turn himself in Jeannine Henderson     Not Credited       spoke with Colleen at the Lila West charity event Johnny Hogan    Howard Morris      1984   Trainer of Colleen's horse in Los Angeles, helps Chance track down the kidnapped L. C. Jeb Hollister     Chuck Connors    1983 -84       father of Lenny and Juliet. His father lost the Yellow Rose land to Wade Champion. Hated the Champions for it. Murdered his father for his inheritance and drove his sister away after she got knocked up by Wade.  Went out of his way to block the Champion's success at ranching and later their oil business.  Paid Rudy to romance Marlene to get Whit's share of the RoseKept the Sheriff on his personal payroll. Owned the newspaper and nepo-ed his daughter to be in charge there. Employed Caryn Cabrera until he learned she cared for Roy. Sent her to Venezuela, but told his chauffeur to kill her and make sure she knew why.  Drove Juliette out of town.  Finally arrested after having Rose murdered for exposing the truth that he murdered his father. Juliette Hollister   Deborah Shelton  1983  Beautiful daughter of Jeb that works as a reporter. Falls for Roy. Editor. Can't believe her father is that evil. Leaves town after assuming the Champions were behind Jeb's shooting. Lenny Hollister     Steve Sandor    1983 - 84    Jeb's son with a nose candy problem, hired Sanchez and Onofrio to help get drugs over the border through the Yellow Rose. Caught, eventually and sent to prison. Attempted to kill Roy and Chance at the Prison Rodeo, but was thwarted yet again Rose Hollister     Jane Russell   mother of Chance with Wade Champion, sister to Jeb; Juliette and Lenny's aunt. Knew Coyell and Dillard from the good old days. After Jeb murdered his father, Rose ran and settled in New Orleans, running a house of ill repute. Upon learning she had Cancer, she returned to The Rose to meet her son, Chance, but was killed shortly after they connected. Chance was after Jeb with a rifle when Sheriff Wallace arrived. Jeb wanted him to get Chance and take him away, but shockingly, Lew was there to arrest Jb. Rose had sent rock-solid evidence to her father's murder. Jeb no longer called any shots... Del Horton    Lonny Chapman    1983    owner of a trucking company that was supposed to haul The Yellow Rose Ranch's cattle to be sold. Jeb Hollister went in and paid for his fleet to prevent them from delivering on time. Matt Johnson    Billy Streater    Owner of Mesa Grande Petroleum.  Bought Illegal oil from the Yates boys and lied to Roy about it.  Taken away by the authorities Deputy Duncan Kilgore   Scott Hylands    1983    Colleen's beau, killed while men crossing the border Marlene Hensen Champion Lansing        Karen Carlson      1983 - 84   Roy's ex-wife; Whit's mother; wanted to take Whit to Europe for the summer with her husband -- Rudy Lansing. Comes  home pregnant and separated from Rudy. Wants to sue Roy for Whit's inheritance when he doesn't agree to Jeb's offer. Ready to split her wrist after learning that Rudy was always working for Jeb to manipulate her. Colleen found her and talked her down, reminding her that Whit still needed her. Rudy Lansing    Barney McFadden    1983 - 84       Marlene's second husband; Whit's stepfather. Planted into Marlene's life by Jeb, Rudy took her to Europe and she returned pregnant and bitter. Ended up on the courthouse floor. Chance MacKenzie   Sam Elliott   Son of Wade Champion and Rose Hollister; a cowboy's cowboy. Knew Grace when he was young, an old friend of her brothers.  involved with Colleen and Grace at different times.   Had an at times tenuous relationship with Quisto and Roy, but usually was able to get past their issues to protect The Yellow Rose. Grace MacKenzie    Susan Anspach   1983   cook at the Yellow Rose Ranch. Grew up with Chance, a friend of her brothers.  Had a ling with Chance. The object of young Whit's desire, she put him off because of the age difference, but went out with him one night.  During the cattle drive, she was hit by a rolling rock and went to the hospital. She left town when she got out of the hospital. She was rumored to have headed to her sister's place Bryce Macklin   Woodrow Parfrey      1984 real estate attorney hired by Jed Fargo when accused of killing Barbara Sue Mayor Virgil Mapes    William Windom    1984    Mayor runs the pie Raffle at the Memorial Day Picnic Dr. ___ Martin     Duncan McLeod    1984     client at The Silver Swan Harry McClure    Never Seen    Jeb told Lenny that McClure would be his attorney at the trial. ____ McKinney     Dennis Haysbert   1983     Airport Security Guard Elmo Mooney    John Alvin 1983  witness to Jeb's shooting; picked Whit in the line-up Ellen Moore    Judyann Elder   1984   Social Worker looking into  Sarah Webber's home Yolanda Munoz    Ruth Britt    1984    pregnant woman that entered the country via the Yellow Rose and witnessed border patrol guards running guns on the Yellow Rose property. They chased her across the property before being saved by the Champions, Colleen helping her give birth on the property Major General Nathan    Donegan Smith  1983  gave permission to the Champions to run their cattle through the airstrip. ___  Nelson      Robert Gooden   1984    worked at the Hardison Work Camp. Sal Onofrio            Steven Keats   1983     Artifact Dealing Company; Sanchez (aka Fredo)'s boss;  ran an auction;  on Lenny's payroll. killed by Sanchez Aurelia ___ Padilla    Maria Melendez    1984   Raoul's wife. Forced to work as a seamstress for Lila West Products. Trapped with her family until the Champions arrive with help. Raoul Padilla      A Martinez   1984  Migrant Worker that runs away from the Hardison Work Camp. He and his wife signed a contract, and they cannot leave unless they pay off the contract. Jack Fry brings him back, but not before Chance and Roy hear his story. Meanwhile, Raoul and Aurelia worry about their son. Helps Quisto try to escape, but they are caught and forced to work with the spray. Trapped in a storage building, the Hardison Employees torch it. Roy and Chance arrive and rescue them. Son Padilla    Not Credited      Aurelia and Raoul's son sickened from the poison being sprayed on the crops at the Hardison Work Camp. Nick Pappas     John Colicos  1984   Owner of the Silver Swan Spa; takes underage girls and grooms them to become hookers. District Attorney  Barton Pearce      Jim Antonio  1983     investigated John Strongheart; was to prosecute him, then prosecuted Lenny. Alton Prine     Spencer Milligan   1984   Big boss at the Hardison Work Camp. Signed up the employees to the contracts. After signing up Chance and Colleen, he tried to rape Colleen and told her he'd hve her, whenever he wanted. Reporter Aida Ramirez     Raquel Valadez      1983   Local News Reporter, often at press conferences Charlie Reno    Clu Gulager   1984   day worker at the Yellow Rose. gave the map to Pancho Villa's treasure to L. C. and was killed by Deke and Lou. Lane Roberts    Joanna Pettet     1984   waitress that protects a wild white Stallion and becomes close to Chance after stranding him on the ranch. As he tries to help her lead it to a safe place. Leaves after the Stallion is put down. Mr. Rondello    Never Seen, Mentioned     Casino Owner that Trey owes money to. Ernie Rubalcaba    Javier Grajeda  1983   reporter that Jeb gave a raise to because he was working _____Sanchez  aka Fredo  Mike Gomez     1983      contact John Strongheart -- paid him to bring Mexicans across the Yellow Rose, some with drugs on them; on Lenny's payroll Chief John Strongheart  Will Sampson  1983 worked for the Champions.Let a "coyote" in that  took a group of illegal aliens across their property. Accused of murdering Sheriff Kilgore. Arrested. Murdered by Sanchez. ____ Stryker    Paul Mantee   1984   One of Rondello's goons that roughs up Trey; Partner of Johnny Tupelo Billy Taggert     Dennis Burkley    1984   oil driller on The Yellow Rose, in charge of L. C. - 1 Jack Thomas     Daniel Eden    1984   played basketball with Whit; arrested _____   Toland   Ted Markland    1983  owned a trucking company that the Champion's rented to haul their cattle, but the truck Colleen was in was sabotaged. Toland got ticked off when they accused him of being involved and refused to continue with their cattle. Johnny Tupelo    Ron Masak    1984   One of Rondello's goons that roughs up Trey; Partner of Stryker Sheriff Lew Wallace   L.Q. Jones   83 - 84  on Jeb Hollister's payroll; arrested Whit. Basically a "Toadie" of Jeb's until Rose's proof of Jeb killing their father came to light.  Hunted for Barbara Sue's killer. Sarah ___ Webber    Nancy Parsons   1984   Foster Mother for Ramon and Arnie. Took in the stolen goods the boys would find. The Champions wanted her investigated. Judge ___ Willard    John Napierala        1984   member of Jeb's Good Ole boy network that okayed destroying the Mission that Taza's family inhabited. Earl Yates     Les Lannom     1984   Jessie's son, stealing oil from LC-1 and selling it to Matt Johnson Shot Luther Dillard. Shot by his Daddy Floyd  Yates   David Graf      1984 Jessie's son, stealing oil from LC-1 and selling it to Matt Johnson.  Worried about Luther being hurt.  Jesse Yates    Pat Hingle    1984    father of Earl and Floyd. Mistakenly believes that the oil well on his property struck, but his sons are stealing from LC-1 at the Yellow Rose. Earl shot Luther Dillard for figuring it out.The boys sell oil to Matt Johnson. When Hoyt brings wheelchair bound Jessie to the oil derrick on his prperty, Jessie knows the truth. Jessie shoots Earl to protect the Champions   Arnie       John Franklin       kid that stole L. C. 's necklace with Ramon.   Stayed at Sarah Webber's foster care home. She took the things that the boys would steal. Bonnie     Leigh Kavanaugh    1984   Hotel Hooker that talks to Colleen Boog       Terrence Evans      1984     Henchman of Lou and Deke on their quest for Pancho Villa's  treasure Brian     Not Credited     1984    Orderly at the Silver Swan; Nick's henchman Buck                 Bill McKinney   1983   Jeb's henchman.  sets charges that cause an avalanche;  puts chemicals in the lake to kill the cattle on the drive. Charlie               Ed Crick          1983  Jeb's henchman Charlie              George Fisher         1984   Jeb's henchman Deke             Billy Green Bush  1984      Lou's partner; they killed Charlie Reno for his map to Pancho Villa's treasure. Kidnap L. C.  but get captured in the end Dublin the Dog    1983     murdered by Sanchez Eddie      Burt Marshall    1984     Lou and Deke's henchman on their quest for Pancho Villa's treasure Eddie       Not Credited      1984      knocked out by Chance at Jeb's Home Hal        1983 - 84   Hugh Gorrian     Jeb's Chauffeur Juno       Not Credited      1984      knocked out by Chance at Jeb's Home Klaus     Andre Landzaat      1984    Concierge at the Carlyle Hotel Kelly         Gloria Hayes      1983    Woman giving the eye to dance to Chance Lou         Geoffrey Lewis    1984      Deke's partner; they killed Charlie Reno for his map to Pancho Villa's treasure. Kidnap L. C.  but get captured in the end Nurse Maggie      Anne Haney      wheeled Toat out of the hospital to the car Marie      Claudette Wells     1984    hooker on the strip; tells Chance about The Catcher Mary      Anulka Dziubinska      1984  Roy's limo driver in Los Angeles Mavis            Vonetta McKee     1984    Hooker that Colleen connects with at a hotel; helps her with a tip on finding the kidnapped L. C. in L. A. Michael      Will Bledsoe     1984   young guy taken in by The Catcher; The Catcher plans to turn him out. Chance takes him away from The Catcher and offers to send him home. Nicky             Joe E. Tata          1983     waiter -- Juliette Hollister  and  Roy Champion Pamela      Sherri Stoner     1984    girl being held with L. C. at the Silver Swan, rescued by Chance Pamela Sue   Lenny Hollister's date to the auction         Melanie Vincz    1983 Purvis         Herbert Jefferson, Jr.       cowpoke Ramon       Gabriel Gonzalez          kid that stole L. C. 's necklace with Arnie.   Stayed at Sarah Webber's foster care home. She took the things that the boys would steal. Ricki             Corinne Bohrer     Pappas' employee at the Silver Swan  she threatens L. C., then considers helping her escape. Murdered by Pappas Rita      Not Credited      Lila Devereauax's secretary at Lila West Ruby      Never Seen, Mentioned    Court Stenographer Sue Ann   Kimberly Foster 1983   Bartender that cards Whit when he's out dancing with Grace Dr. Sue Ann           Elizabeth Savage    1983    Veterinarian Taza               Rion Hunter     1984        lived in a mission with his family that Jeb Hollister wanted bulldozed. The Champion family saved their home, but they left   Attorney       Matthew Faison    on Hollister's payroll to fight for Marlene to get Whit's share of The Yellow Rose Barrel Racer     Karen Petrasek       at the rodeo that Trey and Whit compete in. Brawler        David S. Cass, Sr.    1983     in a bar fight with the Champion me, later helping them pick the glass off of them. Break Dancer     Not Credited     1984     Los Angeles Streets Break Dancer     Not Credited     1984     Los Angeles Streets Captain     Val de Vargas        1984    Mexican Policeman who takes Pancho Villa's papers and treasure to the Mexican Government. Catcher    Kario Salem          1984     Takes in young people, turns them out and sells them to pimps.  Chance beat up his goons and rescued Michael Child at the Mission      Not Credited        1984 Child at the Mission      Not Credited        1984 Child at the Mission      Not Credited        1984 Construction Workers:    Nick Dimitri     1984    to tear down the Mission                                         Bill Hart             1984    to tear down the Mission Deputy  Chuck Hicks     1983   arrested Whit and turned him over to the Sheriff Deputy            Christopher E. Jackson  1983      with Whit Deputy                     James Parkes  1983   pulled over Roy Deputy Sheriff        John Pickard    1984   Search for L. C. and Juanita Detective      Not Credited     1984     Partner of Ralph Foster Doctor     Jeannie Linero    1984    worked to save Luther's life Emcee       Richard Fullerton    1984     Prison Rodeo             The Foreman         William Jordan  1984       worked for the Hollisters; he was supposed to bulldoze the mission that Taza and his family were staying in just over the Hollister line Gas Station Attendant       Robert Carnegie     1983     gas station during Whit's hunt for Grace Gas Station Attendant        Ritchie Montgomery  1983 pumping gas when Chance is looking for Blue Lake and Danny Goodall Gas Station Attendant     Dennis Fimple    1983   at a gas station when Sanchez arrives; told Sanchez cash only; sees the dead body in the truck bed; killed by Sanchez Goon   Not Credited    1984  guy that works for the Catcher. Chance beat his ass Goon   Not Credited    1984  guy that works for the Catcher. Chance beat his ass Goon Not Credited    1984    guy that works for the Catcher. Chance beat his ass Goon    Not Credited  1984   guy that works for the Catcher. Chance beat his ass Hollister Man    Jeff O'Haco         1983     fought with the Champions Hollister Man    Arnie Moore      1983     fought with the Champions Hollister Man    Joe Massengale        1983     fought with the Champions Hollister Thug   1983         Billy Burton Hollister Thug     1983       Kenny Call Hollister Thug    1983           Damon   Douglas HorseShoe Player          Michael Brockman      1984   gives Jed Fargo a dirty look at the Memorial Day Picnic Hotel (Motel)  Manager            Ted Gehring     1984     Jed Fargo rented a room from him. House Man    Pat Ranella     works at the first casino we see Trey at. Inmate                   Jay Arlen Jones      in jail with Whit; makes sexually suggestive comments Inmate           Jerry Potter        in jail with Whit; makes sexually suggestive comments Judge             Sari Price      1984 The Killer         Duane Tucker     1984  hired by Jeb to shoot and kill Rose. Chance holds him off, but Rose is killed,  Chance goes after Jeb. Man     John Ingle    1983      at the Oil Man of the Year Party with Jeb Man                                 John McIntyre Nurses      Channing Chase    1984      worked to save Luther's life                     Jennifer Falana      1984       worked to save Luther's life Nursel     Ernestine Mercer   1984   Toat's nurse  in the hospital Oil Driller          Ben Bates     1984  on Hollister land polluting the YR's Water  Old Man          Hank Worden      1983       at a Trailer Park  Orderly      Tommy Tucker  1984     worked to save Luther's life     Prison Guard                Al Hansen     1984    Toat Prison Guard         Peter Harrell        1984       Toat Prison Guard      Not Credited      1984      Toat Prison Inmate     Michael Greene    1984   Lenny's Buddy in the prison, helped him try to kill Chance and Roy Reporter       Jeremy Ross     1983    press conferences Roadside  Detour Man        Herman Poppe     1983    directed Chief John and Chance off the main road to capture them for Lenny Hollister and Sanchez Rodeo Announcer      Not Credited      1984   Announces Whit and Trey's events at the rodeo. Sanchez Employee     David Cadiente     leads Roy to fight Sanchez after his run Sanchez Employee      Not Credited    episode 2 Sanchez Employee      Not Credited     episode 2 Seamstress    Amapola Del Vando    1984     Worker that shows her work to Lila Devereaux Sergeant                   Ken Grant        1983pulled Roy over Slave Laborer at Hardison Work Camp   Wilfredo Hernandez    told Chance that Quisto and Raoul were working in the field with the spray Spa Attendant     Not Credited      1984    worked at the Silver Swan Stockyard Official       Davis Roberts   1983  allows the Champions to load their cattle on the train, despite flack from the Hollister men Store Owner    Ed Call    1984   at the Hardison Work Camp. Overcharges for goods to keep the workers poor. Trailer Park Manager    Virginia Gregg    1983   Ran the trailer park that Whit went to on his search for Grace Undercover Cop               Thomas Rosales, Jr.     1983    Drug Traffickers Woman at the Auction    Anne Nagle     1983 Woman at the Auction      Not Credited     1983 Woman at the Auction     Not Credited   1983 Woman at the Auction      Not Credited   1983 Woman at the Mission       Not Credited      1984 Woman at the Mission       Not Credited      1984 Woman at the Mission       Not Credited      1984 Woman at the Mission       Not Credited      1984 Young Girl    Irma Garcia      1984     at the Memorial Day Picnic     ????   Roles Unknown                      Ted Noose   Ep. 6                      Gary Pagett    Ep. 6    
    • HBS loves Gregg Marx, and often tells the story about how difficult it was filming bed scenes with Marx, while she was six month pregnant. At the time the show chose to hide her pregancy, but HBS was big. She used to joke that it was three in that bed (her, Marx and her stomach) and since Marx didn't much experience with pregnant women, he didn't know how to coordinate his body over hers to hide her stomach. Which HBS found hilarious everytime they had to do a bed scene. 
    • Tut tut Jack wore no condom. And it was a shipwreck. Jennifer managed to pack her diaphragm when the boat went down and insert it right before her cave sex. Far more plausible 
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