2 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Yeah San Diego California is gay big time!

I remember all that!

Oh I know it. And crazy...but I digress...

 

5 minutes ago, carolineg said:

It's been a long time, but I do think when they introduced Craig they said he was a cheater and married his wife for her money.  But they backtracked on that once they cast PD as Nancy.  There was talk from Nancy taking away her daddy's money if Craig wasn't chief of staff or something like that in the very beginning though.

Yes, I remember Nancy threatening Craig about her daddy's money if he didn't become chief of staff.

1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

I know a guy who was married and knee he was gay but still loved his wife and had two sons with her yet he was cheating on her with several different guys. He finally got caught by the wife. She said she always knew he was gay and what he was doing with other guys. She was waiting for him to come out to her. It took time for him to come out though. The wife divorced him and left with the kids. He is now living his gay life in San Diego California. 

 

So it does happen.

Even if it does happen they didn’t have to make Craig a cheating a.ss hole to be gay.

1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

I know a guy who was married and knee he was gay but still loved his wife and had two sons with her yet he was cheating on her with several different guys. He finally got caught by the wife. She said she always knew he was gay and what he was doing with other guys. She was waiting for him to come out to her. It took time for him to come out though. The wife divorced him and left with the kids. He is now living his gay life in San Diego California. 

 

So it does happen.

Even if it does happen they didn’t have to make Craig a cheating a.ss hole to be gay.

Just because it does happen doesn’t mean they had to make Craig a cheating ass for the story just so he can be gay.

10 hours ago, carolineg said:

I haven't watched it yet and I said I would give it a chance, but it probably would have been better if this all didn't occur in the span of 3 episodes.  I obviously remember Nancy and Craig, but they haven't regularly been on our screens for years lol.  Some lead up would have been nice.

I would have to assume Craig is bi because he enjoyed and loved a woman for years.  It would be a real shame for him to just be gay and closeted for years.  If they are going to do this it's unnecessary to crap all over Nancy and Craig's 40 plus year relationship.  I know it occurs in real life all the time, but before last week there was no indication Craig and Nancy didn't have a loving, healthy relationship.

Agree.  With everything.

9 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Here’s my thing, even if they wanted Craig to realize he’s gay late in life. Why did he need to be a cheater? Now he just looks like an a.ss hole.

 

9 hours ago, carolineg said:

That's very true.  He's been with Nancy since they were teens and they are like 60 right?  It's awkward, but you would think he would have that sort of trust with someone he's been with that long.   Even if he's gay he doesn't have to do that to someone.  It's two separate issues and I feel like the cheating aspect will be swept under the rug.

Again, I agree with everything here.

8 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Smart idea to bring on Lani’s bio dad.

Yeah, but I wish he were played by someone more dynamic than the guy who used to play Derek Frye.  He always reminds me of Darius Rucker, for some reason.

11 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Finally caught the end.

KS did a really good job. IMO, the looks on his face really showed how upset Craig is and how guilty he feels over what he's doing to Nancy. I'm a little disappointed the word bisexual wasn't spoken at all though, and that Chloe just flat out assumed that Craig is gay. 

 

Chloe had to be the one to say that Craig was gay. He couldn't say it. They were some great scenes. Too bad the story is being rushed.

7 hours ago, AlexElizabeth said:

I'm just scared that this story will turn into wacky hijinks the second Leo gets involved (if he's involved). 

It's gonna turn into wacky hijinks even if Leo ISN'T involved.  Ron Carlivati doesn't know (anymore) how to write any story without wacky hijinks.  (JER would be so proud, lol.)

7 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Can't seem him with just one guy at all 😂

I could see Leo with just one guy, in a wacky sort of romance that recalls Eugene and Calliope, but it would take committing to making Leo a more rounded character instead of a plot device in '70's game show host clothing.

7 hours ago, carolineg said:

It's been a long time, but I do think when they introduced Craig they said he was a cheater and married his wife for her money.  But they backtracked on that once they cast PD as Nancy.  There was talk from Nancy taking away her daddy's money if Craig wasn't chief of staff or something like that in the very beginning though.

I feel as if Tom Langan was attempting to recreate Y&R's Brad and Traci there.

14 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Chloe had to be the one to say that Craig was gay. He couldn't say it. They were some great scenes. Too bad the story is being rushed.

Spoiler

From SOD Craig tells Nancy he is gay not bi

11 minutes ago, Khan said:

It's gonna turn into wacky hijinks even if Leo ISN'T involved.  Ron Carlivati doesn't know (anymore) how to write any story without wacky hijinks.  (JER would be so proud, lol.)

I could see Leo with just one guy, in a wacky sort of romance that recalls Eugene and Calliope, but it would take committing to making Leo a more rounded character instead of a plot device in '70's game show host clothing.

I feel as if Tom Langan was attempting to recreate Y&R's Brad and Traci there.

I don't know.   I don't want to offend anyone but I find this story soooo disappointing.  Not because Craig's gay.  That's fine.  But because I really liked what Nancy and Craig represented.  They were were a love story that went beyond looks and it's seems demeaning to end it this way.  Not because of Craig's journey which should be told, but because of what they previously represented.   Listen, they suddenly wouldn't make John or Steve gay.  It feels cheap to make Nancy the patsy on this not knowing her husband was gay for like 75% of her life and also because she is regular size.  Craig can go out and find a foxy man, but Nancy gets left with the wreckage.  It feels a little gross.  I may not be saying this right but it just makes me feel for Nancy and her bad wig lol.  It just feels like of course the heavy girl's hot husband was gay all along.  Half the cast of Days bings all the time as gay/bi/fluid and they make it about this couple.🙄

I think what I object to is the internalized homophobia that requires that there is conflict with regard to Craig coming out.  Nancy and Craig have been together for around 30 years. Why not write a story where a wife is not surprised or betrayed by her husband's sexuality, but perceptive enough to be empathic with his development and supportive of his growth. They are both in their late 50s, there's no reason for this to be drama filled, and there may also be no reason for them to divorce.  The assertion that Nancy had no idea just makes her seem stupid.  This story does not need conflict, nor does it need Craig to be unfaithful to be told, those are old fashioned troupes about being in the closet that do not seem to apply to a modern culture that is more versed in fluidity.

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

It just feels like of course the heavy girl's hot husband was gay all along.

Yeah.  that. 

There have been very few populer soap couples where the woman was heavy and the man was hot for her just as she was.
On Days, there was Nancy and Craig. 
On OLTL, there was Marcie Al/Michael.
I'm talking major characters and not occasional recurring background characters.
Nancy and Craig were popular contract characters back in the day.

I know that heavy women viewers appreciated the representation.

Edited January 28, 20223 yr by janea4old

14 minutes ago, janea4old said:

Yeah.  that. 

There have been very few populer soap couples where the woman was heavy and the man was hot for her just as she was.
On Days, there was Nancy and Craig. 
On OLTL, there was Marcie Al/Michael.
I'm talking major characters and not occasional recurring background characters.
Nancy and Craig were popular contract characters back in the day.

I know that heavy women viewers appreciated the representation.

That's seems very rude.  Not directing that at you specifically.  I am a slim white women that appreciated that representation.  But of course people will think its fat housewives🙄

Edited January 28, 20223 yr by carolineg

Sorry, I should have clarified. I was speaking for myself, as a heavy woman viewer.

And yes I agree that any viewer can appreciate seeing representation, even if the viewer is not a member of the group being represented.  As a viewer, I appreciate seeing a wide variety of humanity being represented on the shows I watch.

1 minute ago, janea4old said:

Sorry, I should have clarified. I was speaking for myself, as a heavy woman viewer.

And yes I agree that any viewer can appreciate seeing representation, even if the viewer is not a member of the group being represented.  As a viewer, I appreciate seeing a wide variety of humanity being represented on the shows I watch.

No worries.  I just thought you were saying everyone that liked Nancy and Craig were regular women having fantasies.   And true to life my husband of 15 years is on the bigger size and sometimes people ask me why I am with him, so that's a little triggering for me.  Looks aren't everything...but that wig still needs an intervention  

I never understood Craig and Nancy's relationship from the very beginning. At first, I remember the actors had a "MEATY" storyline with Craig wanting to be Chief of Staff or whatever, but later on, the two only served as Chloe's backup choir. Craig coming out as bisexual or gay is believable I suppose, but the thing is that I don't care. Craig is not a main character on the show and we're not really "invited" as the character explores who he is or what he's struggling with on an emotional level. We're not invited to this "journey" if that makes any sense. And yet, at the same token I'm relieved not to see it as the storylines last as long as a New York minute that's it's difficult to keep track. Then again, is it? Because all I see is cheating, kidnapping, and wearing a face mask. 

Can't think of the name of Lani's bio dad or how long the character will be on the show, but I sense that it will be short-lived and I'm predicting murder. 

I don't mind the idea of making Craig gay, but I hate what they've turned Nancy into. This isn't Nancy IMO. You can't convince me that if she wasn't played by a traditional sized soap actress that she wouldn't still have her red hair. That grey wig may not be the end of the world to some, but the fact that this character has lost all of her spark, is dressed like an old lady AND she's losing her husband? It feels like such a slap in the face and it's insulting. I wish the story were positioned in a way where Nancy could still be the fun character she was and potentially find love (not to mention revenge on whoever Craig is dating). Instead, it feels like this was done only because the actor who plays Craig is gay and Ron wants to showcase him and have a gay storyline. Of course it's not over and they may do right by Nancy in the end, but so far I am very disappointed.

On a more positive note, I think Johnny works much better possessed than Marlena did. Of course it was fun to revisit the story with her, but with Johnny it's more interesting because it's less expected. I'm enjoying him wrecking havoc around town and I like that everybody isn't being dumbed down for it to make sense. With him EJ's son it isn't outrageous to think he'd act similar to his father. This could have real legs if Ron restrains himself and doesn't overdo it.

Edited January 28, 20223 yr by Chris B

11 hours ago, carolineg said:

It feels cheap to make Nancy the patsy on this not knowing her husband was gay for like 75% of her life and also because she is regular size.  Craig can go out and find a foxy man, but Nancy gets left with the wreckage.  It feels a little gross.  I may not be saying this right but it just makes me feel for Nancy and her bad wig lol.  It just feels like of course the heavy girl's hot husband was gay all along.  Half the cast of Days bings all the time as gay/bi/fluid and they make it about this couple.🙄

That's my concern as well, @carolineg. 

Now, look: I, for one, never bought Craig and Nancy as this blissfully happy duo.  To me, it made more sense that Craig was a schemer who married Nancy for the money, and that Nancy knew it but didn't care, because she was just happy to be married to such a great-looking guy.  I'll cop to being biased in that respect. 

But to suggest that Craig has been gay or bisexual all along?  And that Nancy never knew until now?  There's garden-variety infidelity; there's knowing all along that you've hooked up with someone who's out of your league, but you don't care, because it beats being alone; and then there's realizing your spouse has basically lied to you for your entire marriage.  The latter is what's going on here; and in the process, it makes Nancy look stupid, and it makes Craig look like the biggest [!@#$%^&*] who ever walked the planet. 

And I'm sure Ron Carlivati will suggest that it was always obvious that Craig was sexually attracted to other men and that Nancy kept her head in the sand about it.  But that won't wash, Ron.  Craig and Nancy were never written with that subtext in mind, and their fans (of which there are many!) will never believe it.

 

Edited January 28, 20223 yr by Khan

19 minutes ago, Khan said:

That's my concern as well, @carolineg. 

Now, look: I, for one, never bought Craig and Nancy as this blissfully happy duo.  To me, it made more sense that Craig was a schemer who married Nancy for the money, and that Nancy knew it but didn't care, because she was just happy to be married to such a great-looking guy.  I'll cop to being biased in that respect. 

But to suggest that Craig has been gay or bisexual all along?  And that Nancy never knew until now?  There's garden-variety infidelity, and then there's realizing your spouse has basically lied to you for your entire marriage.  The latter is what's going on here; and in the process, it makes Nancy look stupid, and it makes Craig look like the biggest [!@#$%^&*] who ever walked the planet. 

And I'm sure Ron Carlivati will suggest that it was always obvious that Craig was sexually attracted to other men and that Nancy kept her head in the sand about it.  But that won't wash, Ron.  Craig and Nancy were never written with that subtext in mind, and their fans (of which there are many!) will never believe it.

 

I mean, obviously, it's not the norm for a couple to have that disparity in looks/physique/whatever on a soap.  Not that I don't think PD isn't attractive or anything, but KS is a very good looking guy.  But I got onboard with Craig loves Nancy and everything about her because that what was shown onscreen.   I could maybe buy Nancy keeping her head in the sand about this because she was so happy she had a hot husband, but that's not Nancy.  She was confident, secure, funny, intelligent and never cared about what people said.  These are fictional characters but to make Nancy's whole romantic life a lie really sucks for her. That's devastating. Whether Craig is gay or bi or whatever he owed his life partner (who I assume he does love) the respect of telling her he was confused or attracted to men because he obviously didn't wake up at 55 one day to being gay.  I have no problem with this particular story being told but it really does [!@#$%^&*] on 2 characters that were fine as is.  This feels like a story for shock value more than an organic story and I don't think we are going to get much of Nancy's POV.

Could you imagine being 55, 60 whatever age Nancy is supposed to be and starting over in the romance department?  That would be an interesting story, but we know the story is going to be Craigs wacky hijinks with Leo or some [!@#$%^&*] 

Edited January 28, 20223 yr by carolineg