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14 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

I'd say the only actual good parts were Suzanne Rogers' performances, after not being used for over a decade, and Kate's blood curdling scream in her wedding dress.

I'd agree. Some of the buildup to the kills was effective, or the occasional setpiece. It certainly got a lot of attention and buzz. But I've never forgotten a) how much it was played for laughs while being scripted to the absolute lowest common denominator, and b) how much certain folks who grew up watching Reilly DAYS insisted he could do no wrong and that this was all great soap opera. It was shít, and it was obvious at the time. You can create buzz and do a big, crazy storyline like that one - I love slasher movies! - without turning everything onscreen into a complete joke.

Melaswen being very stupid does not negate the stupidity and folly of the actual execution of the Stalker storyline before it. Sure, I watched quite a lot of it. But it made absolutely no sense before, during and after. And of course, once again, it was all the DiMeras' fault. Zzzz.

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It was close to being the actual worst. Bleeding tree stumps. Skeleton children dancing through the alley. I feel like I'm being gaslit because no one else mentions those specific things.

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I don't remember the skeleton children! That would've been cool tbh.

It was the day to day writing and execution that was so often amateur level. And the fact that Reilly clearly thought Marlena could just do anything (it was obvious it was her before they revealed it) and it would be fine and make no difference. I still remember people weeping that Reilly's supposed genius-level original plan for the story was denied.

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1 hour ago, Vee said:

I'd agree. Some of the buildup to the kills was effective, or the occasional setpiece. It certainly got a lot of attention and buzz. But I've never forgotten a) how much it was played for laughs while being scripted to the absolute lowest common denominator, and b) how much certain folks who grew up watching Reilly DAYS insisted he could do no wrong and that this was all great soap opera. It was shít, and it was obvious at the time. You can create buzz and do a big, crazy storyline like that one - I love slasher movies! - without turning everything onscreen into a complete joke.

It is funny how much of this could word for word be written about Carlivati's work on Days or the later years of OLTL.

As a matter of fact I'd argue there is a lot in common between them.

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But i do loved Shawn-Douglas being on to Marlena for a while during the Salem Stalker Storyline.. I wonder what would've happened if they didn't turned it into the Melaswen BS and made Marlena a psycho after all.

I mean her sister Samantha was quiet psycho herself if i remember correctly.

Victors death was hilarious during that time and Abe and Jack came really off guard. Dougs death made me the most upset with Alice Horton.

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5 hours ago, Vee said:

Melaswen being very stupid does not negate the stupidity and folly of the actual execution of the Stalker storyline before it. Sure, I watched quite a lot of it. But it made absolutely no sense before, during and after. And of course, once again, it was all the DiMeras' fault. Zzzz.

Your summary made much more sense than the actual story!! 😊

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On 10/31/2021 at 9:44 AM, Liberty City said:

I noticed when Sunset Beach changed its production model within its first year it began to shift to a more standard-produced soap opera, but with no budget. I firmly believe NBC, much like Santa Barbara, was not the right network for the soap. I'm surprised FOX never tried to enter into the daytime arena with a soap opera, which would put it in direct alignment with the three major television networks. And given how successful Beverly Hills, 90210 was for the network, it would've been a solid sell. Spelling could've been the Dick Wolf of FOX. I'm just not sold on the Ben & Meg storyline, and why it was the driving force for the soap. I genuinely don't. Not to mention, I don't believe Robert Guza Jr. was the right person to head write for the tenure that he did. Not to mention, I would have loved to have seen what H. Wesley Kenney had in mind for the soap, especially since it's likely what caused him to leave, due to "creative differences." Kenny, to me, was a much stronger producer than Gary Tomlin; he worked such powerful soaps that he had the influence of the likes of William J. Bell. Up to that point, Tomlin had worked on All My Children as a producer, and I am unfamiliar if Agnes Nixon were around during his tenure (1995–1996), but his green showed in the quality of the serial's run.

I can't and don't hold that against them... it was a quick "get in and get it done" type of situation that producers and writers were placed into, and they all handled it as well as they could. Plus, many of the cast had re-located to Los Angeles for ABC's final months of production, so I doubt they wanted to return to the east coast, All My Children actors especially. For One Life to Live it was easier, since many of their cast were still on the east coast.

I think the formats All My Children and One Life to Live employed were ahead of their time; in re-watching All My Children, its production model reminds me that of Hollyoaks (which also streams on Hulu). Not to mention, Beyond Salem employed an episode-per-day format, and it seemed to work for them. And Days of Our Lives, from my understanding, is still a popular stream on Peacock (as it was on NBC.com), so I think if people are invested, then they're invested.

I'm going to embrace the new bailiff, and give him the benefit of a chance. I'm more so concerned about the other new rules coming into play.

I also think producing each soap for two-weeks and then swapping was a bad idea. Clearly, sharing a production space was another issue. Had they been able to get a space where both soaps could produce at the same time, I do believe it would've been oiled together. But, Richard H. Frank & Jeff Kwatinetz went in with the best of intentions, and I stand firm on that. But it's clear they were in over their heads with producing BOTH at the same time. They bit off more than they could chew.

I think it irked One Life to Live fans more than it did All My Children fans. But you could tell, when they swore off the swearing, the episodes still had them, but they were censored. Let us not forget this gem:

But, like you said, Erika Slezak's old-fashioned attitude is likely what brings on her view point of things, because it seems like majority of the cast had little issue with it.


I felt Téa’s, “I don’t f^cking care!” in my bones. So satisfying.

Having just caught up on three months of B&B (I was burning through several episodes a night), I really wish the PP soaps were still available for my next nightly viewing project. Just like with the P&G Soap Classics page on AOL, I wrongly assumed that anything uploaded to the Internet would be there forever. As someone touched upon upthread, it can be overwhelming when so much content is uploaded in a short period of time. IIRC, months of Texas were uploaded in a few weeks. It was almost too much of a good thing. I’m forgetting exactly what kept me from staying current with the PP soaps. I would certainly make the time now.

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11 minutes ago, SFK said:

I felt Téa’s, “I don’t f^cking care!” in my bones. So satisfying.

I agree. They should've kept the F-bombs!

I believe the PP soaps are still on YT, for now. Someday I'll have to secure a torrent or something.

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On 10/31/2021 at 10:29 AM, Chris 2 said:

 “Beyond Salem” is a good example of how the future of the format can evolve. It’s essentially a limited series as opposed to an open-ended one. And they could do future “seasons” if they economics make sense.

What I loved was that I was legitimately excited to go on this cheesy little adventure. It was akin to that old school anticipation of a new soap’s debut. I hadn’t felt that since November 13, 1995 with The City. Yet in a limited run, you instinctively know that the show doesn’t have time to [!@#$%^&*] around, it has to take off running and be intriguing every day. Also there’s no fear of cancellation as it isn’t meant to last. It’s just icing. I loved when All My Children did those web only minisodes back in its final year or so. I haven’t watched Chad and Abby in Paris, no real draw for me there, but Beyond Salem was at least to me an undeniably fun little jaunt.

9 minutes ago, Vee said:

I believe the PP soaps are still on YT, for now. Someday I'll have to secure a torrent or something.

10 minutes ago, Vee said:

I’m smiling playing that OLTL opening in my head.

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On 10/31/2021 at 3:25 AM, FrenchBug82 said:

My gripe about the PP soaps personally was my intense dislike of some the off-screen plot points they chose to write in the continuity in order to explain why certain characters weren't there. But I suppose disliking story choices is not specific to the PP adventure so I might be in slight bad faith here.

The two criticisms she gives in the Fairman interview are:
- that they "didn't know how to make a soap". That could mean a lot of things but I take it to refer to the concrete production issues we have heard about which must have galled someone used to a well-oiled machine. That definitely tracks with your diagnosis.
- Especially since her second substance-based criticism is completely off-base in my opinion. She complains they made the show too "risque" because it was online and wanted to be "modern".
Well, yeah. That seemed like an obvious move to be more explicit about sex and not be afraid of swear words if you don't have the constraints of network TV. 
ES is an elderly woman now and with that comes old-fashioned attitudes, I suppose.

I liked the swearing because thats how people I know talk but ES was right PP used swearing too much to be edgy and they didnt write long term story, there seemed to be a lot of lets try this and hope it works

 

Stories from what I heard from AMC & OLTL actors who saw scripts never filmed is that the stories were more thought out

 

It didnt help that they got Green lit in Jan 13. Started Filming Feb 25 13. They had no time to prep long story

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Profanity has to be used in moderation and not just to be edgy, especially when it comes to a format where it wasn't present before. That aside, I remember waking up first thing in the morning to watch the PP's AMC and OLTL while I had breakfast. It was a good time.

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10 hours ago, SFK said:

I felt Téa’s, “I don’t f^cking care!” in my bones. So satisfying.

I remember Florencia Lozano stating how much she liked being the first person to swear on One Life's online continuation. I also felt her "a$$hole" delivery. Like, that was power!

10 hours ago, SFK said:

Having just caught up on three months of B&B (I was burning through several episodes a night), I really wish the PP soaps were still available for my next nightly viewing project. Just like with the P&G Soap Classics page on AOL, I wrongly assumed that anything uploaded to the Internet would be there forever. As someone touched upon upthread, it can be overwhelming when so much content is uploaded in a short period of time. IIRC, months of Texas were uploaded in a few weeks. It was almost too much of a good thing. I’m forgetting exactly what kept me from staying current with the PP soaps. I would certainly make the time now.

They're on YouTube, but in 360p.

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I'm pretty sure Horgan/Racina attempted to write some long story for OLTL, as I suspect Agnes and co. did at AMC, despite the intense time crunch of getting those shows together. I don't know how much of the former survived, as the changeover in HWs happened very late, but I do suspect the entire Jeffrey King twist/Triskelion cartel tattoo people arc with Carl Peterson was there from the start - that's Racina's style. I know there were rumors of rewrites re: the Celia story on AMC or the whole thing with Jane the barista's mysterious life constantly getting cut out.

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Did they ever say where was Jessica on the PP OLTL series? I know I missed more episodes than I intended. But I don't remember her much being mentioned. 

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17 minutes ago, Vee said:

I'm pretty sure Horgan/Racina attempted to write some long story for OLTL, as I suspect Agnes and co. did at AMC, despite the intense time crunch of getting those shows together. I don't know how much of the former survived, as the changeover in HWs happened very late, but I do suspect the entire Jeffrey King twist/Triskelion cartel tattoo people arc with Carl Peterson was there from the start - that's Racina's style. I know there were rumors of rewrites re: the Celia story on AMC or the whole thing with Jane the barista's mysterious life constantly getting cut out.

Well, All My Children did intend on switching head writers for the canceled second season... and makes me wonder what might've been planned.

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