On 7/6/2022 at 9:43 PM, Joseph said:

Early Stephanie reminds me of Stephanie Harper from Return To Eden especially the Hair, Also Just finished The Death of Caroline Spencer Forrester, man Joanna really brought that on, i cried a lot and even my mother who knows nearly no english cried too, but then she told me it remembered her of cousin of ours that died the same way..

Anyway Joanna's performance(s) made me wonder WHY The Emmys didn't give B&B it's due value during it's early years when there was so much better character development than in later years Joanna, KKL and Susan as well as Nancy Burnett and The Original Katie and Donna were all very good in my book (of course Katie didn't have very much to do on those days), of the men only Original Thorne catched my attention he was pretty good too all in all So much talented unrecognized

I have fallen behind on my viewing of these uploads but I saw Caroline’s story arc in real time when it originally aired so it won’t be a spoiler to me. Even as a kid, I found Johnson really impressive, right up to her final scenes. I do think that there was an enormous amount of competition in what would have been her category back then and Joanna Johnson gave understated performances (beautifully understated) and I have given my thoughts on how Daytime Emmy awards committee/academy seemed to be biased against understated performances, seemingly in favor of performances that veered toward being more melodramatic. No knock against those performances that can come off as more exciting in clips, but an understated performance reveals its depth and power over time, not necessarily in a 10 second clip, which is how most voters are judging (do we really believe that the voters are taking the time to watch entire episodes of these shows?)

Another aspect that I wonder about is whether people in nominating process of the Daytime Emmys had doubts about the sustainability of B&B and opted to “invest” nominations in the series that they believed had assured longevity. As a 30 minute serial, it may have caused a bit of doubt as to how long it could last on air. Capitol and even Ryan’s Hope ending before the end of the 1980s may have planted seeds of doubt.

Look what made to Youtube!!! I actually don't know which i Prefer Taylor is Stunning in Both, and 50 Points if you find the Parallel between these two hehehe talk about lazy writing

On 5/29/2022 at 6:24 AM, Liberty City said:

S2 E211 (452) is the introduction of Darlene Conley (Sally Spectra). Airdate January 17, 1989! Fantastic!

For me, she's what really made the show must see. She was just superb in the role. The Logans as a family just weren't working, and the Spectras gave that contrast to the Forresters. I'm still mad over Macy being killed....twice!

2 hours ago, pdm1974 said:

For me, she's what really made the show must see. She was just superb in the role. The Logans as a family just weren't working, and the Spectras gave that contrast to the Forresters. I'm still mad over Macy being killed....twice!

Same here! The Spectras are my all time favorite group of characters and my main reason for rewatching the classic episodes. And I am still mad over Macy's (pointless and poorly written) second death too - if they hadn't done that, I actually believe the Spectras would have had a fair chance of staying viable past DC's real life death a few years later, and they might still be around today.

22 hours ago, Videnbas said:

Same here! The Spectras are my all time favorite group of characters and my main reason for rewatching the classic episodes. And I am still mad over Macy's (pointless and poorly written) second death too - if they hadn't done that, I actually believe the Spectras would have had a fair chance of staying viable past DC's real life death a few years later, and they might still be around today.

Totally agree! The 2017 Spectra revival could have easily intertwined with Macy's legacy

I'm a few months into 1989 and Sally and Macy instantly fit in and have brought so much to the show. It's sad that the revival is what it was. I hated all the nick-named parody characters and the fact that it didn't have any basis in their history. I agree that they could've done a better job at bringing them back. Had it not been a gimmick, they would've lasted longer.

49 minutes ago, Chris B said:

I'm a few months into 1989 and Sally and Macy instantly fit in and have brought so much to the show. It's sad that the revival is what it was. I hated all the nick-named parody characters and the fact that it didn't have any basis in their history. I agree that they could've done a better job at bringing them back. Had it not been a gimmick, they would've lasted longer.

The revival didn't feel like a waste of time to me. I was quite surprised when Brad Bell dropped them like a hot potato because it DID work for me perfectly.

7 hours ago, sheilaforever said:

The revival didn't feel like a waste of time to me. I was quite surprised when Brad Bell dropped them like a hot potato because it DID work for me perfectly.

I am a bit on the fence about the Spectra revival. It had the potential to work really well either as an homage to the original Spectra gang, or as a new generation of Spectra characters, but the show didn't really invest enough in either of these possibilities. 

If it was a nod to the original Spectras, they should have played up the parallels between past and present even MORE and really developed modern takes on the old storylines and characters. 

If it was a new generation of Spectras, they should have made them LESS obvious copies of past characters and instead anchored the new Spectras to actual legacy characters like Macy and CJ.

The way it was, I felt they did a bit of both but lost interest too quickly. They lost a lot of momentum by not immediately recasting Thomas so they could have kept the business side going. A lot of the relationships were underdeveloped, like Sally/Coco (who were the equivalent of Sally/Macy and thus should have been central), Coco/RJ (where I feel they should have milked the Romeo and Juliet parallel for all it was worth and really tormented the poor kids), and Sally/Saul (I will NEVER FORGIVE the show for passing up the OBVIOUS opportunity to have Saul unleash all his secret love for Sally in a Broadway style musical number!). I feel the Tawny Moore-like grandmother kind of dominated the group and prevented those other relationships from developing. 

Like so many other storylines of recent years, the Spectra revival was a premise that had me cheering at first but in the end left me disappointed because it did not live up to its potential.

Edited July 20, 20223 yr by Videnbas

On 7/20/2022 at 1:33 AM, sheilaforever said:

Totally agree! The 2017 Spectra revival could have easily intertwined with Macy's legacy

Throne's return should have had him teaming with Spectra to overtake Forrester, instead of short-term pining for Brooke.

25 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

Throne's return should have had him teaming with Spectra to overtake Forrester, instead of short-term pining for Brooke.

This! And I wished they would've included CJ more into this. It seemed when they brought him back, he was over Spectra.

 

On 7/20/2022 at 4:38 AM, sheilaforever said:

The revival didn't feel like a waste of time to me. I was quite surprised when Brad Bell dropped them like a hot potato because it DID work for me perfectly.

Darlita and Saul Jr. should've been their own characters instead of being clones of their protypes.

Edited July 21, 20223 yr by Forever8

1 hour ago, Liberty City said:

Throne's return should have had him teaming with Spectra to overtake Forrester, instead of short-term pining for Brooke.

Absolutely. Thorne's history with the Spectras went a lot deeper than his history with Brooke. And since they made him a designer it would have been natural for that to play into his storyline. 

2 hours ago, Liberty City said:

Throne's return should have had him teaming with Spectra to overtake Forrester, instead of short-term pining for Brooke.

minus Ingo R. in the role of Thorne 😫 with those awkward turtleneck sweaters and stiff acting

On 7/20/2022 at 2:33 AM, sheilaforever said:

Totally agree! The 2017 Spectra revival could have easily intertwined with Macy's legacy

In My Opinion if Macy was Alive at the time Sally Jr would probably be her kid not some long lost niece

On 7/21/2022 at 2:23 PM, Videnbas said:

Absolutely. Thorne's history with the Spectras went a lot deeper than his history with Brooke. And since they made him a designer it would have been natural for that to play into his storyline. 

You know it would really make sense, With Thorne being Spectra's Lead Designer would work with the antagonism they tried to build with Thorne and Ridge, as he wanted to undermine Ridge and prove he was more competent then why not do it out of Forrester

On 7/21/2022 at 2:50 PM, yrfan1983 said:

minus Ingo R. in the role of Thorne 😫 with those awkward turtleneck sweaters and stiff acting

Mhmm. Exactly.

On 7/21/2022 at 1:23 PM, Videnbas said:

Absolutely. Thorne's history with the Spectras went a lot deeper than his history with Brooke. And since they made him a designer it would have been natural for that to play into his storyline. 

Mhmm. But, in the same breath, I find it strange all of a sudden Thorne wanted to design, when we never got that inkling in the character's origin.

On 7/21/2022 at 12:17 PM, Forever8 said:

This! And I wished they would've included CJ more into this. It seemed when they brought him back, he was over Spectra.

CJ would've been nice; maybe get Lauren Koslow on loan from Days of Our Lives again?

1989 (S3 E18) FULL EPISODE 511

The Angela reveal. So riveting! Love it. Susan Flannery displayed a masterclass.